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Joe Polvino (66.133.138.130)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm looking for 2 burners that work with natural gas. Stratford Imports has a nice 170k btu propane burner, and when I called and asked about natural gas conversion, the woman said, "We're not even allowed to talk about natural gas."

Has anyone successfully converted this particular burner for use with natural gas by drilling out the orifice? The price of $11 is very attractive.

Also, is there another good source for natural gas burners? I am contemplating covert night missions to scrounge a couple off gas water heaters.
 

Bill Pierce (208.57.122.28)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My converted burners are from Metal Fusion and work beautifully with natural gas. The Stratford Imports burners look like a knockoff to me. I see no reason why they could not be converted. I drilled out the orifice to 7/64 in. in my burners. You might start with with 3/32 in. and see how it works for you. If the flame is not a nice blue color and there is soot on the bottom of the kettle, then drill the orifice to the larger size.
 

Robert Canning (142.177.110.142)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

bill is right Joe. The big thing with gasses is the orifice size. My burners are form that BBQ manufacturer. I can never remember the name. They look exactly the same as the ones from Stratford only I paid more than that
 

Ed Jones (15.228.0.5)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

$11 doesn't cover the cost of all the components for the burner, does it? Isn't the $11 for just the casting? If so, you'll need to buy the spring, damper, and orifice. I don't have the web page in front of me so I can't make sure I'm speaking correctly, but check it out.

Ed
 

Dan Schultz (209.63.111.76)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's a link to some NG burners. More expensive but probably worth it to get as many BTU's as possible out of the low pressure NG.

http://www.solarflo.com/gasjet.htm
 

Joe Polvino (66.133.138.130)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think Ed is right about what's included: I'll need to buy the shutter and spring, and the orifice.

About the orifice: I am assuming when people say the orifice needs to be drilled, they are talking about the hole in the center. Is this right?

Also, how does the whole thing assemble. It looks like the orifice holds the shutter and spring in place. Then gas is delivered through the orifice.

I know little about this stuff, so any help is appreciated.

-joe
 

Robert Canning (142.177.113.133)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you are absolutely right, the orifice fitting holds it all together. Email stratford to find what's included. I can't imagine selling them without the orifice.

BRINKMANN!!!! I found the catalog for my burners
$19 complete (no hose)
no web site but Phone #1-800-468-5252
they look identicle to the ones on Stratford site
 

Robert Canning (142.177.113.133)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ask for the Brinkmann catalog. It will blow you away the BBQ's these people make!! Texans!! Boy they know how to BBQ
 

Joe Polvino (66.133.138.130)
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Robert. I just left a message with Brinkmann to receive a catalog. I'll let you know how I fare.
 

Ed Jones (156.153.255.126)
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You want to see a real BBQ pit, check this out: http://www.bbqpits.com/ BBQ is another hobby of mine, but I use the lowly but trusted Weber Smoky Mountain for my 'Q :-)

Anyway, if you don't want to buy from Startford for whatever reason, the boys at Adventures in Homebrewing (homebrewing.org) in Dearborn MI have the burners, as does B3 (morebeer.com), and other homebrew shops.

Ed
 

Hoody (24.117.73.196)
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have the stratford imports burner. I haven't used it yet but I've heard from others that used them and they say it works great. It does come included with a air shutter and spring. I also bought the high pressure hose/regulator. As I am new to this too and I actually don't know what an orifice is on a burner. Can someone answer that for me?

I did test this out by hooking up the propane hose, spring and shutter and worked just fine.

-Jason
 

Bill Pierce (208.57.122.28)
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The orifice is the opening through which the gas is admitted to the burner. The pressure of the gas determines the orifice size for mixing gas and air for proper combustion. High pressure burners require a smaller orifice size than do low pressure burners. Natural gas is delivered at a lower pressure than propane.
 

Hoody (24.117.73.196)
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I guess I answered my own question about the orifice. It's the part that screws into burner and would give you something to connect your plumbing to. Stratford did not include this on my order, but they do sell it for $4. When I get around to it I was planning on hard plumbing my gas lines on my 2 tier stand. I was just under the impression I was going to buy that part at Home Depot along with the other parts, pipe, valves, copper tubing, etc... I suppose if HD doesn't sell it then I can go see my local propane dealer for the orifice.

I also noticed that the burner now sells for $16.
I got mine for the $11. Maybe you should call and ask what is included. Maybe with the higher price they now throw in the orifice.

-Jason
 

Bill Pierce (208.57.122.28)
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Stratford sells the burner parts separately or together. These include the burner casting, the orifice, the air shutter and spring, the regulator/hose assembly, and the needle valve.

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