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Tim Pratt (67.28.98.91)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 05:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I see that many recipes use DME. Why would you use this when you can use the syrup malt extract?
 

Donnie Howard (64.63.209.145)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 05:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's stronger for one thing, because LME is roughly 20% water. In general, four pounds of DME is equal to five pounds of LME.

Also, DME is easier to measure and generally produces lighter beers because it is less likely to sink to the bottom of the pot and scorch.

Many recipes are written using DME or a combination of both because a lot of LME comes in 3.3lb cans, and the author wouldn't want to open a second can to use two pounds and then have to store the rest.
 

Tim Pratt (67.28.98.91)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 05:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was told that LME is "fresher", is that at all trew?
 

Steve McCloud (63.107.228.82)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The freshness depends on the brand and retailer you use Tim. When I brewed with extract I found Alexander's LME to be some of the freshest and lightest. Another point to consider is that 20% water in the lme may be a good thing as at least that part of your water will be from the country that produced the lme. 20% german water in a german style beer ect.
 

Bill Pierce (12.249.104.53)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Less than fresh extract is one of the causes of the "extract tang" found in some beers. In general, the freshness of DME is less of an issue, as it keeps longer than LME. In fact, I would not buy LME unless I knew that it was fresh.
 

Todd Metcalf (129.42.208.182)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some LHBS don't sell LME in bulk, so you are stuck with buying the 3.3 lb cans. DME can be used to get precise amounts of sugars to get to the desired OG.
 

Doug Pescatore (141.232.1.10)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

On top of all this. DME is simply easier to use. You don't have a sticky mess that just seems to get every where. You can use exactly the amount you want to use and seal and store the rest. I have had extract twang with LME as well as high FGs when using LME. However, I have no had these problems with DME.

-Doug
 

Denny Conn (63.114.138.2)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tim, the real question should be "Why would you use LME when you can use DME?"
 

big earl (209.222.26.27)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

>>>"Why would you use LME when you can use DME?"

because Bulk LME, is alot cheaper
 

Tim Pratt (65.58.170.32)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for all the input. Although I am now even more confused! I was always under the impression the LME had better quality and more verity. When you buy "kits" from Williams.com or B B and MB they always seam to come with LME. Oh well I guess Ill have to go to all grain…
 

Denny Conn (63.114.138.2)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BE, is it really cheaper per gravity point?
 

Bill Pierce (208.57.122.28)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Denny, I took a look at the latest catalog from Northern Brewer, which sells its own branded LME (made by Briess) at 6 lbs. for $13 and Muntons DME at 3 lbs. for $9.95. Based on an extract potential (from ProMash) of 1.035 for LME and 1.046 for DME, I derived a new index, points per pound per dollar (ppd). According to this figure, LME has an index of 16.15 ppd and DME is 13.87 ppd. That means LME is indeed a better value (more extract points per dollar), but I hardly think the difference is significant in the quantities used in a batch of homebrew.

In general I still prefer DME because its freshness is less critical.
 

J. Steinhauer (164.111.20.70)
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In most cases, I agree that DME is easier and more convenient. But, LME will never poof a big cloud over a large area and make an entire room sticky. Anyway, that's just a funny (or not) thing that can happen.
 

Denny Conn (63.114.138.2)
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2003 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for the numbers, Bill. For the tiny difference in price, I'll take the ease of use with DME.
 

Tony Garton (135.214.150.100)
Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2003 - 03:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This brings up an interesting question, anyone ever make AG malt milkshakes?

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