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Jim Layton (4.225.187.178)
Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I picked up a bottle of Uerige Sticke on a recent business trip. It lists the ingredients on the label but my German is a little weak and I'd appreciate some help with the translation. Here are the ingredients and what I think they mean in English:

Wasser - water
Gerstenmalz - barley malt
Caramelmalz - caramel malt
Rostmalz - roast malt
Doldenhopfen - has me stumped, something about hops
Uerige-Hefe - Uerige's yeast
 

Hallertauer (195.93.66.7)
Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doldenhopfen is whole hops

Everything else is correct.
 

Hallertauer (195.93.66.7)
Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How do you like this alt anyway? It's my favorite commercial alt. You will be hard pressed to find any other alts here in Germany that use whole hops instead of hop oils.
 

Beertracker (68.13.253.7)
Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wasn't aware that Zum Uerige even bottled the Sticke? Are you going to try & make a clone? I made a pseudo-Sticke this year for Christmas & it was the first keg gone before the New Year. Keep us updated. PROST! Beertracker
 

Jim Layton (4.225.186.125)
Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 04:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whole hops - thanks!

I found this beer at a liquor store in Glendale, California. It came in a funky-looking swing top bottle, 11.2 ounces. I liked it quite a bit, definitely enough to try and brew it.

I think my basic alt recipe would make a good starting point, it uses the same types of grain and there is a definite similarity in the malt flavor. The label on the Uerige Sticke says it is 6% alcohol/volume, so I'll need to increase my OG. I understand that dry hopping is also one of the things that makes the Sticke different from the regular Uerige altbier.
 

Beertracker (68.13.253.7)
Posted on Sunday, April 18, 2004 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jim,
That's basically what I did was increase my Munich malt base in my standard Alt recipe w/o changing the % of the other malts; then increased my hopping rate by about 15%. I didn't dry hop my Sticke, but instead used lots of late finishing Magnum & Select (Spalter) for aroma to an 1.062OG/1.012FG.

I remember having Uerige Alt years ago and loved it, but the only other Sticke Alts that've ever had was Widmer's Winternacht (Double Alt) & Ted Marti of August Schell fame made a special Christmas edition of Scmaltz's Alt some years ago. I'll be on the lookout for some Uerige stateside! PROST! Beertracker
 

Denny Conn (140.211.82.4)
Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I had heard thet Zum Uerige was going to start shipping bottled alt to the states, but this is the first I've heard that it's actually here. Time to start looking for it here...
 

Vance Barnes (69.15.38.210)
Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There was an article on the Sticke type alts in BYO? or Zymergy? in the last year. They aparently originated when brewers overshot their OG's in the days before hydrometers and ProMash. Now they are brewed on purpose and people line up for the tappings. Yea boy! The article had a recipe with it. I'll look tonight to see what issue.
 

Tom Meier (144.228.85.98)
Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Check out the website of some devoted sticke fans:
http://www.stickewarriors.com/WhatIsIt.html

here is the recipe I think you are talking about:

http://byo.com/recipe/959.html
Results 1 - 10 of about 771 for sticke alt. (0.06 seconds)
 

Denny Conn (140.211.82.4)
Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The recipe looked a lot like my standard alt recipe...but I always overshoot the OG on purpose! :)
 

Jim Keaveney (205.188.116.23)
Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i am going to ac to have some on cask fri 4/30. i have never had the sticke but really liked the regular alt in the brewpub in dusseldorf.
 

Ian M. Knott (65.151.233.142)
Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 02:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Beverage Warehouse in the Los Angeles area has Zum Uerige bottles coming is May.
 

Vance Barnes (69.15.38.210)
Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The article I was remembering was in the May/June issue of Zymergy. Anybody know where you can get the Red Malt (carrared) that is in the recipe?
 

Jim Keaveney (64.12.116.24)
Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

that is a wyermann product. my lhbs carries it
 

Kelvin Kundert (142.179.221.197)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I picked up a bottle of this at Bottleworks in Seattle two weeks ago. Haven't tried it yet.
 

Greg Brewer (12.107.171.4)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anyone seen it around Chicago yet?
 

matt_dinges (4.228.6.152)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jim K-

I'd be interested to hear what you think of the Sticke. The trend is that the folks that have had the regular Zum prefer it to the Sticke, those that haven't had the regular rave about the Sticke.
 

Jim Keaveney (205.188.116.23)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

that is interesting matt. i wonder if it is traveling well. also, there may be a significant differnece between the cask version and the bottle. heck even the casks can vary. i'll report back.
 

chumley (63.227.170.198)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So I don't sound like a total schmuck when I ask my local beermonger to order some, how do I pronounce "Uerige"?
 

Denny Conn (140.211.82.4)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.bodensatz.com/staticpages/index.php?page=20020410072601767 towards the bottom of the page. Turn on your speakers.
 

Kelvin Kundert (142.179.221.197)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nope, we don't sell any Uruguayan beer here.

For those of you finding an error following Denny's link, just go to the search function in the Bodensatz site & enter "pronunciation".
 

Art Beall (208.57.172.247)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Our local BOP had the Sticke on draft last week. It was basically a malty brown ale, with high initial bitterness, with a dry hop finish. Very nice. We all looked at each other and wondered how something so bitter can be so malty at the same time. Low mash, lots of bittering hops...and lots of fresh malt. I guess the keg was expensive, the drafts were like $6 a pint.

We also divied up a case of the Sticke alt in bottles. Expensive at about $4 each after tax. The bottled version tastes somewhat fresher to me.

The pronunication I heard from somebody who went to Germany was urh-ga
 

matt_dinges (4.227.160.1)
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've not heard any complaints that it isn't traveling well. Just that the regular is such a supreme session beer and that the Sticke is not quite as enjoyable, maybe more "interesting". Reports I hear say that the bottle and the gravity served cask are almost night and day, with the cask being supreme. Chuck Cook also noted the variations in the Sticke, saying that the strengths of it have varied a lot in his visits to D'Dorf. I've had the bottled Sticke, found it nice but not mind blowing. Never had the pleasure of any gravity served casks of either. Not many casks make it to Nebraska, closest place was Falling Rock.

Cheers
 

Jim Keaveney (205.188.116.23)
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well. I doubt if it was a travelling issue (as opposed to a transferring issue) but the Sticke was oxidized. Had a bit of that metallic taste in the finish. Otherwise it was decent but I much preferred the regular Alt in DD. This is a new beer bar in the Trop Casino with a pretty impressive selection. The manager noticed i was drinking a schlenkerla urbock and told me he had just tapped a keg of the marzen and had the urbock in the wings. i have never seen either of these beers on tap in the u.s. The marzen was excellent.
 

Jim Keaveney (205.188.116.23)
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2004 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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