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Eugene Rich
New Member
Username: Big_gene
Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 09:03 pm: | 
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Let's say I want to bring a few beers to a friend's home. Can I draw several from my keg? Will the Co2 keep enough pressure under the cap to keep the beer O.K.?
thanks
Gene |
Denny Conn
Senior Member
Username: Denny
Post Number: 4108
Registered: 01-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 09:08 pm: |
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Yep...
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Geoff Buschur
Advanced Member
Username: Avmech
Post Number: 504
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 09:23 pm: |
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Yeah, what he said. |
Geoff Buschur
Advanced Member
Username: Avmech
Post Number: 505
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 09:27 pm: |
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It helps if you chill the bottle and decrease the head pressure on the keg so you can slowly fill the bottle.
If you are going to do this for competition beer it helps if you attach a hose to the faucet so you fill from the bottom up. This will reduce the chances of oxidation. You can further reduce oxidation by purging the bottle with CO2 before filling it. |
Ken Anderson
Advanced Member
Username: Ken75
Post Number: 625
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 09:34 pm: |
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If I have kegged beer at 12 psi and 40 F, what will the psi be in the bottle, assuming it has set for a few days to reach equilibrium?
(Message edited by Ken75 on January 24, 2005) |
Geoff Buschur
Advanced Member
Username: Avmech
Post Number: 506
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 09:38 pm: |
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11.42 psi give or take a few psi, depending on amount of head space and temperature. |
Ken Anderson
Advanced Member
Username: Ken75
Post Number: 626
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 09:43 pm: |
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I'm wondering if by the time the CO2 comes out of the beer to fill the bottle headspace, if it won't make for a flat beer by then. Geoff, at least your 11.42 is LESS than the initial 12! (Hey the smiley thingies ain't working.) |
Geoff Buschur
Advanced Member
Username: Avmech
Post Number: 508
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 09:48 pm: |
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Without a pressure gauge attached to the cap I really couldn't tell you an exact amount, but I can tell you that it will not drop enough to tell the difference in a side-by-side tasting.
Try this: Tonight fill a bottle and cap it. Let it sit at room temp for 24 hours. Chill and do a comparison. If you can tell the difference I'd be very surprised. |
Chris Bodley
Junior Member
Username: Cincichris
Post Number: 62
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 09:19 pm: |
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I would think as long as the ambient temperature were the same as the solution going in, and it was done very slowly, then you shouldn't lose much CO2 from suspension. You could always play with over carbonating before you pour too.
I use 2 liters with a special cap - you can always purge any oxygen fairly easily by depressing the seal after the bottle is filled & squeeze until the beer reaches the top. Then just juice it up with more CO2. Presentation dsn't look like much but it's portable while still being easy & predictable. |
Chris Bodley
Junior Member
Username: Cincichris
Post Number: 63
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 09:24 pm: |
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Also - colder the better!
Cold beer dissolves & keeps CO2 in suspension much better. |
Bill Moore
Intermediate Member
Username: Bill_beerman
Post Number: 266
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 02:23 am: |
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I bottle from keg all the time.
Made my own filler by using a cobra tap, piece of racking can (fits exactly in end of cobra), and a cork for the racking cane to go through.
Drop the pressure on the carbonated keg to about 3 psi
Connect the cobra to the keg
Loosly put the cork in the bottle
Open the tap
Release some pressure by moving the cork
The bottle fills slowly
Remove the cork when almost full
Some beer will foam out the top
Put the cap on and seal it.
The foaming has the added advantage of removing the air from the headspace. |
William B Roberts
Junior Member
Username: Bill_r
Post Number: 83
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 02:53 am: |
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people, they make a counter pressure bottle filler for doing just this, I use it mainly around Xmass time, It is a filler with 2 ball valves, a releif valve for controlling the flow.
It purges the bottle & fills it under pressure so you don't end up with a bottle full of foam.
Even at that Ive found you loose a bit of the carbonation, but not anything serious. The better you are at doing it the less you loose. Cap Immediatly.
Do it very slow, & keep a towl handy. |
ScottDeW
Member
Username: Scott
Post Number: 226
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 01:14 pm: |
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Counter pressure bottle fillers are the devil!
I've had more frustration, more beer baths and more blue language because of that cursed instrument than any other single piece of brewing equipment in the house.
Yes, I'm clumsy, undereducated and none too bright but that thing is evil. Evil I tell you!
Racking cane in a cobra head. Easy.
Scott
http://texanbrew.com
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William B Roberts
Junior Member
Username: Bill_r
Post Number: 87
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 06:48 am: |
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Come on now Scott, Ive been to your web site. Ive seen what you have done, I know you can handle this, Try Again, It does take some practice, but is within reach.
This is my best recollation
both vessels bottle & serving keg are pressurized to the same pressure.
Flow rate is set by bleeding off a small amount of pressure in the bottle. Thats why the adjustable releif valve.
1. With both ball valves closed, Place filler into bottle neck & hold tight.
2. Open C02 valve. Purge the bottle by opening the bleed off valve, How long? your choice. I choose 15 seconds.
3. Close the CO2 bleed off valve & open the beer filler valve. Nothing should happen until you crack open the CO2 bleed off valve. Open it slowly, in fact just crack it open & watch the flow into the bottle. Use the bleed off valve to control the flow & shut off the flow.
Do it slow. after a few bottles one will learn how to do it without having to mop up a big mess.
After bottle is filled shut off beer filler valve & CO2 supply valve. Pull the filler out & cap immediatelly. |
Doug J
Junior Member
Username: Doug_j
Post Number: 39
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 02:24 pm: |
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The correct answer is to buy a Melvico. I have always had perfect carbonation at any level I desired using it, and it doesn't make a mess. |
Chris Bodley
Junior Member
Username: Cincichris
Post Number: 65
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 06:20 pm: |
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Being not quite sure what a Melvico is I googled it - did I read correctly?
$441.95 for a counter pressure bottle filler??
It looks like a pretty serious piece of equipment, but $441.95 to fill bottles of beer at home? Yikes! |
ScottDeW
Member
Username: Scott
Post Number: 228
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 07:28 pm: |
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Yeah, the Melvico is beautiful but I don't bottle enough to justify that price.
OK, William. I'll give it another collge whack. But if that d*mn thing squirts me one more time, I'm going to use it as a lightning rod.
Scott
http://texanbrew.com
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Doug J
Junior Member
Username: Doug_j
Post Number: 41
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2005 - 07:10 am: |
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Maybe the price has gone up, they used to be around $300. Anyway, some things are worth the money. |
Marlon Lang
Intermediate Member
Username: Marlonlang
Post Number: 432
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 02:39 am: |
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GO HEAD, son Scott!!!!! Yo' daddy be proud! CPF is the work of Saten, himself! Do like Bill Moore sez! |
Chris Bodley
Junior Member
Username: Cincichris
Post Number: 72
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 07:08 pm: |
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Ouch! Even $300... I'm sure it does an amazing job but my wife would try to have me committed if I brought one home (when she found out how much it cost).
I'm all about the toys but rarely bottle. A simple counter pressure filler is the solution for me (<$50).
The money I save will feed my 'grain habit'
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Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 2102
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 07:24 pm: |
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The late BWTW would greatly approve of the Melvico filler. As for most of the rest of us who are not worthy, we can devise our own alternatives. My own is a $35 CPF for those rare times I absolutely need a few bottles quickly. I'm not sure I would call it the spawn of Satan, merely another of those aggravations I've learned to tame and endure. |
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