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Peter Roman
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Username: Lilbordr

Post Number: 507
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Greetings,
Yes, I admit it, people of my age are idiots. Case in point; a RIT brew buddy wrote me an e-mail. In this mail he proposed the idea of adding this to a secondary then bottling. In a sense giving him Absinthe beer. Is this kid going to kill himself trying this?

Thanks,
Peter Roman
 

Geoff Buschur
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Username: Avmech

Post Number: 526
Registered: 06-2004
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, but it is very bitter. I think some historic beers use Absinthe instead of hops for its bittering properties.
 

Peter Roman
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Username: Lilbordr

Post Number: 508
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it going to give him the psychoavtive property he's looking for, or just make his beer taste like over hopped crap?

Thanks,
Peter Roman
 

Bob L.
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Username: Bobcaat

Post Number: 92
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's the problem, where is the line between using the amount that will give you the psychoactive properties that one desires and when you go over that line a create something that will hurt you. I will pass on that trial and error experiement.
Instead go here
http://www.absinth.com/
 

Adam W
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Username: Adam_w

Post Number: 399
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow!

I would have thought it would be illegal to sell absinthe oil. Maybe just the liquor form is illegal?

If the product actually contains what it says it does (no way to verify or guarantee this), then yes it will have the pyschoactive properties he's looking for.

I think it would be a waste to add it to beer and because of the bitterness, may make the beer undrinkable. It would be better to carefully add small quantites to vodka for shooters. Then you could quickly deal with the shitty taste by drinking a tasty un-adulterated beer.

(Message edited by Adam_w on February 01, 2005)
 

Geoff Buschur
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Username: Avmech

Post Number: 530
Registered: 06-2004
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have your buddy watch this show: http://www.fineliving.com/fine/thirsty_traveler/episode/0,1663,FINE_10176_35584, 00.html

I'm pretty sure they do a good job of dispelling the myth about the psychoactive properties of absinth.
 

Belly Buster Bob
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Username: Canman

Post Number: 2077
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

it's you...isn't it Peter? Classic, "I know this guy" story
Bellybuster Bob
www.bellybuster.netfirms.com
 

Peter Roman
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Username: Lilbordr

Post Number: 510
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ha! I think not. I have beer and a fraternity to poison myself with. I don't need any more help. The kid I speak of is the same one who tried the 'special hops' beer and ended up with a grASS flavored beer. No thanks to that!

Cheers,
Peter Roman
 

Geoff Buschur
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Username: Avmech

Post Number: 537
Registered: 06-2004
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Peter,

Have your buddy read this: http://www.gumbopages.com/nejm.html

"...Later, the man obtained one of the ingredients described on the Internet, essential oil of wormwood. The oil was purchased electronically from a commercial provider of essential oils used in aromatherapy, a form of alternative medicine. Several hours before becoming ill, he drank approximately 10 ml of the essential oil, assuming it was absinthe liqueur.


The man recovered after 8 days in the hospital, and was clear of the toxic effects of his little escapade after 17 days. And the story made it onto CNN, too.

All I have to say is ... *boggle*.

Okay kids, do I have to put some obvious disclaimers on the site? Don't play in traffic, don't tease growling grizzly bears, don't leap off the top of a 44-story skyscraper and ... DON'T GO AROUND ORDERING AND DRINKING POISONOUS LIQUIDS!"
 

Vance Barnes
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Username: Vancebarnes

Post Number: 1409
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pure Absinthe oil is poisonous. Relatively small doses may cause nervous disorders, convulsions, insomnia, nightmares, and other symptoms. Do not take large doses.

Did your "friend" acutally read this? Nuggett brew is one thing, convulsions and nightmares another. If he really wants to permanently harm himself tell him to look into Jimpson Weed.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 2082
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Or peyote or mushrooms or any number of psychotropic botanicals.
 

Geoff Buschur
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Username: Avmech

Post Number: 538
Registered: 06-2004
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mmmmm.....Mushrooms!!!
 

Vance Barnes
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Username: Vancebarnes

Post Number: 1410
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I am not responsible if you decide to make alligator sauce piquante, but decide to catch and wrestle the alligators yourself and get eaten alive."

I kinda like his disclaimer
 

Ken Anderson
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Username: Ken75

Post Number: 657
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey at least the brand he's buying is Kosher. That's gotta be good for something.
 

Peter Roman
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Username: Lilbordr

Post Number: 511
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha! That's what I said to him regarding the toxic warning. He responded that EVERYTHING is toxic if over consumed. I think he's nuts. I told him to check out this thread. Maybe he'll post. Who knows. I think he may have been the same person that posted a while back asking about mushroom beer. I found that 'smithers' questionable because he posted not a week after the same kid asked me about the subject. Furthermore, Smithers is my fraternal nickname. Oh well...

Cheers,
Peter Roman
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 2710
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am waiting for Brewlabs to opine on this weighty subject...
 

J. Steinhauer
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Username: Jstein6870

Post Number: 436
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't understand the desire to adulterate a beautiful beverage with other intoxicants. Everything has it's place.

Anyway, Wormwood, for those interested, grows very well, at least in zone 7 (Alabama to the PNW). I kept having to run mine over with the mower to keep it from getting out of hand. Never used it for anything, though.

Also, if you need some 'shrooms, just drop by next Fall. I've got tons of Amanita growing in the yard. I just don't know whether they are phyllodes or muscaris. I'm not into that, so they are all yours.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 421
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Steinhauer, you've got what growing in your yard? And you don't know whether they are what or what? Sounds to me like you know an awful lot about them for not being in to them!

I have to say those are three words I have never heard before in my life.
 

Patrick C.
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Username: Patrickc

Post Number: 257
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Steinhauer, do you live on a farm? I heard that the best shrooms grew on cow .
 

J. Steinhauer
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Username: Jstein6870

Post Number: 437
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Patrick, you may be right, but it's more likely deer, not cow.

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that Amanita phyllodes (death cap) looked nearly indistinguishable (to the untrained eye) from Amanita muscaris (psychedelic).

I am waiting for Spring to see if I have any Morels growing around here.
 

Joseph Listan
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Username: Poonstab

Post Number: 472
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great, now there's gonna be a hundred Amanita poisonings up there. Way to go Steinhauer!

Seriously, eating the wrong Amanit has a really good chance of killing you. Stick with the standard psyllocybes everyone. They are a whole lot "safer".
 

Joseph Listan
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Username: Poonstab

Post Number: 473
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Peter,

Explain to this kid that intoxicants are taken in the forms they are taken because hundreds of thousands of people have discovered that these are the best ways to take them.

The most intoxicating methods are already discovered.

You smoke pot (oil-based), though it can be eaten for much lesser effect by quantity.
You eat mushrooms (water-based).
You eat this wormwood crap (can't he get quite a bit of REAL weed for $65???), although since it is an oil, I suppose it could be smoked (yuck).

etc. etc.

Why mess with it? People have already figured it out, he isn't going to discover anything new, and he's likely to simply waste $65 and a batch of beer. Just tell him to buy a friggin' bag and get on with it.

Another unexpected casualty of the absurd and completely impotent "War on Drugs"... the kid who, due to fear of prosecution or a recent bust, can't get any pot, so he looks for a "legal" intoxicant that has the same effects. He ends up in the hospital for eight days just because he wanted to get high. I love this "War" (actually just a set of Draconian laws) because it just makes so much sense and it is just so natural that nobody should *ever* want to get high.

(Message edited by poonstab on February 02, 2005)
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 423
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In reality the reason I never heard of them is because I wouldn't look for them as I absolutely despise mushrooms. If I crave mushrooms I'll just wait until I get a cold and swallow my snot!!! Taste and consistency are about the same!

How's THAT for disgusting?????

Oh, and I'm talking edible mushrooms here, no interest in the other ones either though.

(Message edited by mikhu on February 02, 2005)
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 2095
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 02:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't know, Mike. Fresh-picked wild morels (in early May in these parts) fried in just a little bit of butter are wickedly good.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 426
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bill, that's what a number of people including my wife tell me, but I just don't get it. They don't taste the slightest bit good to me. To each his own I guess.
 

J. Steinhauer
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Username: Jstein6870

Post Number: 440
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 03:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While this is fuel for another topic, I don't think the war on drugs is leading to people doing more stupid things, but it is making criminals out of people, like prohibition did (and still sort of does in ways). People seem to have no trouble harming themselves completely within the law (or at least combining legal things that don't mix well). If you crave a marijuana high, and you start inhaling hydrocarbons, that's your problem. Taking your snowmobile on a snow country saloon tour is a similar prospect. The different risks are well known. If the risk of death and brain damage pales in comparison to the benefits of the high, that's your choice, and you need to live with the consequences. I remember when the penalty for possession of marijuana in Ann Arbor was a $5 ticket. It was $100 for open containers in public at the same time.


People who pick morels usually do not reveal their hunting grounds to anyone. Wild rice connoisseurs can be the same.
 

Vance Barnes
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Username: Vancebarnes

Post Number: 1413
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Amanita typically grow as mycellium in a symbiotic relationship with tree roots(not cow s***). The mushroom is the fruiting body that is produced. The death caps are a white cap where the muscaris has a red cap. Both have white speckles which are actually leftover pieces of the membrane that covers the cap before it opens. There are lots of alkoloids in the muscaris and it's not sure which ones are the psychedelic and which are poisonous. Your body has to detoxify all of them and apparently it's quite easy to cross the line of what your body can handle. And like hops and barley the concentration of ingrediants can greatly vary by the growing conditions.

OK, that's all I remember from mycology class 25 years ago. Other than we spent maybe a day studying yeast and budding. I'll stick to picking chanterells (sp?) myself.