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Kris Featheringham
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I know there are tons of posts on recipes and "what's your favorite" but I still wanted to ask because I have seen some great recipes here. I am planning to brew a belgian AG. Don't have a specific type of belgian in mind and was looking for some good ideas. The last belgian i made was a strong golden, so it might be fun to try something else. So here comes the question... who's got a good belgian AG recipe they'd like to share.

Cheers,
Kris
 

Bill Pierce
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I've always thought Orval was a worthy target to try to clone. It's not a simple beer by any means, nor an easy one to brew, but it's a great and rewarding challenge. I believe Paul Edwards has an excellent recipe. Perhaps he can pitch in and supply it.
 

Chris Vejnovich
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Kris,

If you want to make a few Belgiums then buy yourself the Farmhouse Ales book and the style book Belgium Ale. Both of the Authors have some great information in those books. I love Saisons personally. I made my first two this summer and I will be making them every year until I go tits up. Here is the basic recipe.

90% Weyermann Pils/or Cargill EuroPils
7% Malted Wheat
3% Oats

WLP 565 (fermented at 80-85F)

My second Saison this summer I used unmalted Spelt at 25% with the same % of oats and the rest Cargill EuroPils.
 

Richard Nye
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Kris, the best homebrew I've ever made, and probably the best tasting beer I've ever had is the following Rochefort 8 clone. It's silky smooth with a great head of foam. It's 9%abv but you'd never know it. You must use dehusked carafa in it though. I would bet if you used regular carafa you'd end up with a bitter element in the flavor.

Here's the website. Trust me, this one is GREAT!

http://www.geocities.com/iluvhops/brouwsel/rochefort8.html
 

Paul Edwards
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My Orval clone:

for 10 gallons:

Grain & Sugar

15.5 lbs Pale malt
2.5 lbs Caravienne

Infusion mash at 152 deg F for 1 hour

2 lb white beet sugar added to boil

Hops :

4 oz Hallertau leaf hops (4.8 percent alpha) boiled 75 minutes
1 oz Styrian Goldings leaf hops (4 perecent alpha) boiled 30 minutes
1 oz Styrian Goldings leaf hops (4 perecent alpha) boiled 15 minutes
1 oz Styrian Goldings leaf hops (4 perecent alpha) boiled 5 minutes

dry hop in secondary with Styrian Golding pellets (1.5 ounces per five gallons)

Yeast:

White Labs 510 Bastogne (primary for 3 weeks)
Wyeast Brettanomyces in secondary for 6 weeks.

Primary done at about 64 Deg F
secondary done at about 60 Deg F

Bottled with 3/4 cup beet sugar per each 5 gallons

OG 1.058

Bitterness estimate 38 IBU's

This beer took a 2nd at the Indiana State Fair this year in a mixed classs of Belgian ales.

After almost 2 years in the bottle, it is getting a little fizzy, from the Brett that just keeps on working. I refrigerate the beer for quite some time before opening. The folks at Orval recommend keeping the beer at about 59 deg F for secondary and after bottling.

It's not exactly Orval, but it does taste good!
 

Pete Mazurowski
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I brewed a good, simple recipe for a dubbel recently that turned out fantastic. I think Chumley and Vance Barnes brewed this one about the same time too, so they may chime in with results. 1.068 OG, 7.6%abv. I did mine with WLP530 which I'd never tried before, but definitely love the results. The full recipe can be found here as "Abbey Dubbel" from Thomme Arthur:

http://www.whitelabs.com/recipe.asp?Category=3

I think the recipe has changed a smidge from what they had listed when I brewed mine, but still in the same ballpark.
 

Brandon Dachel
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IMO the key to great belgians is sugar and yeast choice. My typical belgian is typically in the 1.070 range. 10% sugar, ordinary base malt, some aromatic, a bit of crystal for color and a little complexity. Maybe a bit of oats or wheat in there. Continental hops for a bit of flavor and the bitterness on the low end. Fuggles are a decent choice for this, IMO. I use a culture of chimay yeast I harvested several years ago, but any belgian trappist yeast will do nicely. It can take a month or so to ferment out.
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