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Skotrat
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Post Number: 1569
Registered: 04-2003
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Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That today I kegged a 3 year old ABC...

It tastes AMAZING!

Then right after that...

I made more ABC!

Today... has been a good day!

-Scott
 

Nick Zeigler
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Post Number: 220
Registered: 09-2003
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Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABC? Arrogant Bastard Clone?

American Barleywine... Cooter?

Anheuser Busch Clone?

Congratulations in any case!
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 2147
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Anheuser Bush Clone!"

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Skotrat
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Post Number: 1570
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Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

None of that poppycock...

Apple Butter Cyser!!!

http://www.applebuttercyser.com/
 

Denny Conn
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Post Number: 5260
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never mind...

(Message edited by denny on December 01, 2005)
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Paul Erbe
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Post Number: 319
Registered: 05-2001
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Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good Maynard!!
OK I love the Zappa quote but it is getting old.
 

davidw
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Post Number: 1358
Registered: 03-2001
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http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-pop1.htm
 

Nick Zeigler
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Sweet - looks good!
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 4050
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Scott, what was the O.G. and F.G. of your ABC?

And by the way, is Cruz offline in the Middle East or just MIA these days?
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 1571
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Hi Bill,

1.195 on this recent batch (brewed today)...

I did take an FG on the 3 year old Buckwheat ABC. I will say that there is definitely some bigtime alcohol in it but it is as smooth as smooth could be...

The OG on the 3 year old was 1.199

The FG today was: 1.019

So a nice low Alcohol content of 24.90 by volume

This stuff should make the Christmas party interesting.

Cruz was on the BRC a few months back. He sounded tired and said that he was in IRAQ for long periods of time.

Hope he surfaces back full time soon...

-Scott
 

Ron Siddall
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Post Number: 328
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Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you age this stuff in oak barrels?
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 1572
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Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ron,

Sometimes... Occasionally BrewRats will have tastings where we mail different ABCs that we have made...

Good Good stuff.
 

michael atkins
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 11-2003
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Skotrat -- How do you guys dream up this stuff? Who on earth made the first batch of this?

I am awestruck!!

Looks really interesting!!
Love This Hobby!

http://msnusers.com/micksbrewery
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 1573
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That recipe is Cruz's recipe...

It is amazing
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 4051
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A couple of years ago I judged fruit meads in the first round of the National Homebrew Competition. There were two different versions of ABC among the entries; the flavor, especially the muscovado sugar, was unmistakable. One of them took third place.
 

ScottDeW
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Post Number: 413
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I love the stuff. Mine is approaching a year old and is waaaaayyy too sweet. It is still bulk aging.

Stupid brewer. I let some people talk me out of the yeast Cruz suggested and I'm tasting the consequences.

Stick to the recipe, Maynard.
Scott
http://texanbrew.com
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 2148
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 02:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I clicked on www.applebuttercyser.com and got

You are not authorized to view this page
You do not have permission to view this directory or page from the Internet address of your Web browser.

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If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please contact the Web site administrator by using the e-mail address or phone number listed on the www.applebuttercyser.com home page.

HTTP 403.6 - Forbidden: IP address rejected
Internet Information Services

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Technical Information (for support personnel)


Background:
This error is caused when the server has a list of IP addresses that are not allowed to access the site, and the IP address you are using is in this list.


More information:
Microsoft Support

Unusual recipe. Scott?

Dan

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Bill Pierce
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I dunno, Dan. Is there a conspiracy against you? I had no problem accessing the site.

Try here: http://www.skotrat.com/skotrat/recipes/mead/recipes/5.html

(Message edited by BillPierce on December 02, 2005)
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 2149
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Bill, I got the same "you are not authorized. . ."

Interesting, isn't it?

Dan

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Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 2150
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 02:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I brewed a half barrel of light mild today. Very simple recipe for the 15+ gallons. Just 15 pounds of Canadian light extract, 3 oz of chocolate malt, 12 oz carafoam and 3 oz of Kent Goldings for bittering. I will pitch four packs of Munton's Gold when it is cooled tomorrow.

Dan

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Tom Meier
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Post Number: 315
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 03:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Its a super secret HTML code that scans your hard drive for homebrew recipes. Then, if it finds one that contains either "cicada" or the instructions "cool with fan" it denys your IP address.

thats my theory anyway ;)
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 1574
Registered: 04-2003
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 03:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hmmm

The Links work for me okay...
 

Nathi
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Post Number: 93
Registered: 03-2002
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 03:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

those links work great for me.

I have 2 versions of oak cask aged ABC right now.

I would say it is mothers milk...but since it is cruz's recipe that sounds a little sick

It is AMAZING stuff
 

Piper
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Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 03:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Try this sometime:
Say "Phlastic phlastic phlastic real fast three times.

It sounds stupid.
 

Dan Listermann
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Scott, that 24.90% alcohol stuff, any chance it was made with your 1.043 apple blossom honey? You have a hydrometer that reads to 1.195 too!

Piper, Nathi, you need to get your counts up!

Dan



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NEWEST BREWER IN THE WORLD
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Hello. Is there somebody that can help me with this brew I am trying to make? I cannot find my yeast and I dont know what to do. Will it be okay until tomorrow? Why isnt this a JAVA chat like the one that the Beer Guide has? This is stupid.
 

ELK
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Post Number: 1232
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Skot, thats not polite to brag and not share...please send me a bottle...I know some folks with many apple trees and they juice them and a buddies dad has honey... do I have to wait 3 years? What temp does it need after that first 4 months at 68?

(Message edited by elkski on December 02, 2005)
 

Skotrat
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Elk,

I just let mine go at cellar temps... After the initial ferment my ABCs live in the old foundation part of the house (from the 1700's). The temp in there is almost always under 60 but never below 52f. all that is depending on the time of year of course.

ABC is perfectly drinkable after a year but after 2 or more years it is down right wonderful.

-Scott
 

Phil Lapp
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 06-2005
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I have some ABC that is bulk aging, now at about 2 years, and like Scott DeW, mine is also way too sweet. I can't recall, but I think I was using the right yeast and all. I assume at this point, It just is what it is. Another year will make it better, but not less sweet. It even traveled with me from Oregon to Vermont. I am sure there was no temperature variation or disturbance in the back of the truck.
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 1577
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Hi Phil & Scott,

Might I suggest if you think that it is too sweet perhaps hitting it with some of that turbo distillers yeast that is out there now.

I had one batch a couple years ago stop at 1.060 and I hit it with distillers yeast and it dropped down to 1.012 with no problem.

Just a thought.

-Scott
 

Phil Lapp
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Skot, I like that thought. I have not heard of such a yeast. Any thoughts on places that carry it on the web?
 

Skotrat
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Try:

http://www.stoutbillys.com

http://pivo.northernbrewer.com/nbstore/action/search-do?searchTerm=distill&x=27& y=12

http://www.thegrape.net/browse.cfm/4,10042.htm

http://www.beer-wine.com/category_page.asp?categoryID=90&sectionID=2

-Scott
 

Skotrat
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oh and...

I have never used that at 90f give or take...

The only times that I have used it have been in the mid to high 60's (65f-70f)

-Scott
 

ScottDeW
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Skot,

Good suggestion. I happen to have some "Turbo Yeast" a buddy from England gave me. It comes in a dry package with nutrients and costs 2.5 lbs. (Me too funny)

He uses it to make a wash from a pure sugar mixture. That might just do the trick!

Edit -- You kegged it? You've ABC on tap? Sheesh! I'd be one drunk fool around your place.

(Message edited by scott on December 02, 2005)
Scott
http://texanbrew.com
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 1580
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"Edit -- You kegged it? You've ABC on tap? Sheesh! I'd be one drunk fool around your place. "

Yep... I rarely bottle anything anymore. So it all goes into kegs.

Currently I have 2000, 2001 and 2003 vintages in kegs.

It is rarely served in anything other than a 4 ounce vintage Schlitz glass.

-Scott
 

Greg Nolan
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Your the Brew King!
We are not worthy.
We are not worthy.
We are not worthy.
 

ScottDeW
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I must say that is the first time I've ever pitched a yeast after a year of storage. :-)

Alcotec 8 -- 8 Kg Turbo v 3.1.

Thanks for the idea, Skot. I'd forgotten about that yeast.

Edited for stupid grammer tricks.

(Message edited by scott on December 02, 2005)

(Message edited by scott on December 02, 2005)
Scott
http://texanbrew.com
 

davidw
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This topic provokes a question:

I was going through my supplies this weekend and figured I should get around to using 2 gallons of clover honey that I have. I also have 2 gallons of apple cider in the fridge from the beautiful state of Wisconsin. We had a late frost around the first of May which zapped the majority of apple blossoms so my local orchard had 'imported' apples and cider from WI. This particular cider has potassium sorbate in it.

Now then, my understanding is that PS inhibits budding of yeast cells, correct? So if a guy were to pitch an adequate population, say 3 or 4 packages of dry yeast per 5 gallons, wouldn't the must still ferment? Seems to me the inhibiting of budding wouldn't be an issue if you have a large enough population of yeast present. Thoughts? Comments?
 

Bill Pierce
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You don't have a lot to lose, so you may as well try. In fact, I would make a 1 gallon starter with extra yeast nutrient and pitch it at high kraeusen. That might be enough to overcome the preservative.
 

Connie
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I think I'd drink the cider and buy a coupla gallons of juice/cider without the PS....Two gallons of clover honey is a lot of honey.
 

davidw
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That is the problem, Connie, my local orchard was the only place I have been able to find cider without PS. I considered frozen concentrate, but for some reason that just doesn't sit well with me.

Won't be using but one gallon of honey for this batch. The second gallon will probably end up being a mead or melomel.
 

Hophead
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I 2nd that motion (not using preservative).

I have a gallon of wildflower honey and I wouldn't risk it, especially since I don't like sweet meads.

1.2 to 1.02 is amazing, and no beano...

(Message edited by hophead on December 05, 2005)
 

Connie
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I buy R.W. Knudsen Organic apple juice at several local grocery stores here in Atlanta the ingredients are juice and ascorbic acid $4.99 gallon and the company is located in Chico, CA
www.knudsenjuices.com
You may have to try a health food store, but I think i'd try...IMO
 

Greg Nolan
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I was into making ciders for a while. I would buy the juice right off the shelf. I never had a problem fermenting it even though it has ascorbic acid in it. Occasionally I would find pasturized AJ or peach juice. However, having said that, I am not sure I would risk it for something that I have to wait three years to drink. Alot of effort goes into restraining ones self that long.
I am drunk therfore I am.
 

Paul Edwards
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Ascorbic acid is Vitamin C. It doesn't prevent fermentation.

Potassium Sorbate or Sodium Benzoate are the commonly used preservatives in apple cider
 

Dan Listermann
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I have been told that frozen juice concentrates never have preservitives in them.

Dan

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Skotrat
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ahem...

Go to the store... Read the labels...

Buy the Apple juice without preservatives.

Drive through please