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ELK
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Post Number: 1404
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Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was thinking of brewing this for the cat 10 entry. Brown ale requirements are.

OG 1.045 - 1.060 FG 1.010 - 1.016 IBU's 20 - 40+ SRM 18 - 35 ABV 4.3 - 6.2%
Found this online promash recipe
I would appreciate any comments on how this recipe looks and or tastes.
Chumley??
Heres an AG I found
Moose Drool Clone - Revised 09.02

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

10-D Brown Ale, American Brown Ale

Min OG: 1.040 Max OG: 1.060
Min IBU: 25 Max IBU: 60
Min Clr: 15 Max Clr: 22 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal): 10.50 Wort Size (Gal): 10.50
Total Grain (Lbs): 20.91
Anticipated OG: 1.053 Plato: 13.04
Anticipated SRM: 19.1
Anticipated IBU: 24.8
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Formulas Used
-------------

Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %
Additional Utilization Used For First Wort Hops: -10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
81.3 17.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.036 2
4.8 1.00 lbs. Flaked Oats America 1.033 2
8.4 1.75 lbs. Crystal 80L 1.033 80
2.4 0.50 lbs. Chocolate Malt America 1.029 350
2.4 0.50 lbs. Caramel Pils Malt Belgium 1.034 2
0.7 0.16 lbs. Black Patent Malt America 1.028 525

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
2.00 oz. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 4.75 19.8 First WH
1.00 oz. Liberty Pellet 4.00 3.1 20 min.
1.00 oz. Willamette Pellet 5.00 1.9 5 min.
1.00 oz. Liberty Pellet 4.00 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
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WYeast 1968 London Extra Special Bitter



And here is an extract version???

6.6 lbs light malt extract
.75 lbs Crystal Malt
.5 lbs Chocolate Malt
.5 Black Patient Malt
3/4 oz. Goldings for 60 min.
1/2 oz. Liberty for 20 min.
1/2 oz. Williamette for 5 min.
White Labs Calif. Ale Yeast #WLP001
 

Kevin Davis
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Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This sounds good, but you know you will have to rename it ELK DROOL! I was looking for something to brew this weekend this may be the winner.
Kevin
 

Miker
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Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 11:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

From the Big Sky website:
Moose Drool is brewed with pale, caramel, chocolate, and whole black malts; and Kent Goldings, Liberty, and Willamette hops. It has an original gravity of 13 degrees Plato, and is 4.2% alcohol by weight, 5.3% by volume.

Looks like the recipe you found is pretty darn close!
 

ELK
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Username: Elkski

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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Elk Drool brown Ale
http://forum.northernbrewer.com/viewtopic.php?t=4396&postdays=0&postorder=asc&st art=15&sid=ac49ee9ff57a938a90525ba8cadfbc88
Hows this sound
I took the specialty grains from the AG recipe and used the LME to get to 50%. Keeping the OG at 1.05 and hopped it up a bit for me. to 40.
I dont know if I can update promash to show the new bjcp style guidlines? I had to change these by hand.
I still haven't picked a yeast. But 1056 looks the best fit.
It sounds like Wyeast 1968 and 1272 might produce to much of a fruity flavor for the guidlines.

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

10-D Brown Ale, American Brown Ale

Min OG: 1.045 Max OG: 1.060
Min IBU: 20 Max IBU: 40+
Min Clr: 18 Max Clr: 35 Color in SRM, Lovibond

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal): 10.50 Wort Size (Gal): 10.50
Total Grain (Lbs): 14.75
Anticipated OG: 1.051 Plato: 12.56
Anticipated SRM: 24.0
Anticipated IBU: 40.0
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Formulas Used
-------------

Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
33.9 5.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.036 2
50.8 7.50 lbs. Briess DME- Amber America 1.046 13
5.1 0.75 lbs. Crystal 80L 1.033 80
3.4 0.50 lbs. Caramel Pils Malt Belgium 1.034 2
3.4 0.50 lbs. Chocolate Malt America 1.029 350
3.4 0.50 lbs. Black Patent Malt America 1.028 525

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
3.00 oz. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 4.75 33.3 60 min.
1.50 oz. Liberty Pellet 4.00 4.7 20 min.
1.00 oz. Willamette Pellet 5.00 1.9 5 min.
1.00 oz. Liberty Pellet 4.00 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
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Dennis
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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 02:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What would an equivalent Wyeast be for the extract recipe?
 

ELK
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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 03:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

WLp001 is like wy1056 I think
 

Chumley
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Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That recipe is the one Karl Keyes posted here a while back, based on his e-mail exchanges with the Big Sky brewers. I haven't brewed it (I can buy Moose Drool in the grocery store). Personally, I would stick with WY1968.
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Tuesday, February 07, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Elk, have you downloaded the new guidelines from http://www.promash.com/data/styles.bjcp ?
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

ELK
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Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yes I did Denny but I sure wouldn't have found them on my own. And I tried to find an update/download page.
 

MDbrew
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I'm very interested in trying this brew, however, I have the following question. Since I boil on the stove, I only boil 3 gallons of water and add 2 gallons of malt per gallon of water and add the rest of the malt after the boil is over. My question is...does it matter which 6 pounds of malt I choose to add prior to the boil? This recipe calls for about 8 pounds of malt. Which do I add prior to boil and which should I add post boil? Thanks
 

MDbrew
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Are there steeping grains for the extract recipe or is it already included in the malt? Iím quite new to putting together ingredients from recipes. I mostly buy the prepackaged kits with everything measured out and included.
 

Bill Pierce
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MDbrew, ELK's recipe is for a partial mash augmented with amber DME in the kettle. I don't see why it couldn't be brewed as an extract with steeped specialty grains beer (you might want to steep that much grain in two bags, one each for the light and dark grains). I would substitute just over three pounds of light DME (or 3.8 lbs. of fresh light LME) for the two-row pale malt in the partial-mash recipe. Cut all the quantities in half for a 5 gallon batch.

You would have to increase the hop amounts to account for the lower hop utilization of a partial-wort boil.
 

ELK
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Mdbrew, why do you want to add some malt after the boil? Steeping grains for flavor and color is different than a partial mash where you actually mash the grains and try to get all the sugars out.
Steeping grains is the next step up from just using DME or LME kits. The only reason I am wanting to use any extract at all is to be able to compete in a extract brew catagory which means 50% of the fermentables need to come from extracts
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(Message edited by elkski on February 09, 2006)
 

ELK
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Ok, there are lots of other things to do in life but looking ahead to some competions, low summer beer supplies, the wife is working this Sunday, I have decided to have a brew day. I want to have a brew for soem competitions but will this recipe excite anyone?
I might brew this "Elk Stool Drool" assuming I can get the Wy1968 per Chumley. and dont find another recipe in the cat 10 and 50% extract.
 

MDbrew
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I guess I'm confused. Which of the malts below are the steeping grains?

I've been told by my local homebrew shop to only add 2 gal of liquid malt per 1 gal of water for the boil. I only boil 3 gal since I'm using a household stove. I then add the remaining malt liquid after the boil is over.

6.6 lbs light malt extract
.75 lbs Crystal Malt
.5 lbs Chocolate Malt
.5 Black Patient Malt
3/4 oz. Goldings for 60 min.
1/2 oz. Liberty for 20 min.
1/2 oz. Williamette for 5 min.
White Labs Calif. Ale Yeast #WLP001
 

Chumley
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I read your initial question, and didn't answer because I didn't understand what you are asking. Now you are asking the same thing again, and I still don't understand.

>>add 2 gal of liquid malt per 1 gal of water for the boil.

Do you mean 2 "lbs." of liquid malt "extract" per 1 gal of water for the boil?

The crystal, chocolate, and black malts are steeping malts. Steep them in your three gallons of water until you get close to boiling. Pull them out, then add all the LME (liquid malt extract). Do what Bill suggests and increase the hops to compensate for the concentrated boil.

(Message edited by chumley on February 09, 2006)
 

ELK
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MDbrew, Chumley is right on those being the steeping grains. You use these for flavor and color. Your sugar is the 6.6 lbs of light malt extract which is close to the limit you have of 2#'s/gal. The only reason for this limit I can imagine is your LHBS doesn't want you to burn the bottom of the pan with a very sugary wort and suggests the 2#/gal limit?? Depends on your burner/pot configuration and if you can stir the whole time. Make sure after you get to a boil you remove the pot before you add the sugar and mix well before putting back on a minimum amount of heat to bring back to a boil.
When it starts to boil start your timer for hop additions.. You will be fine.
Bill suggest using two bags for the grains is to get better utilization out of the grains. I assume. I would guess 1.75#'s of grain would be between 1-2 liters as a quick guess. Kind of hard to get the juices out with one big blob in a bag. Also Dont worry if you get some grain husk material and other more solid looking stuff than you are used to with the kits and pure extract brews
 

MDbrew
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I'm sorry. I just got confused on the terminology of the malts. I didn't know which were the extract malts and which were the grain malts.

Can you help me out or point me in the right direction for increasing the hops to compensate for the concentrated boil. I'm quite new to looking at recipes as I have only brewed 50 gallons of premade recipes in my short brewing carreer.

Everything that I have brewed has consisted of liquid malt extract and steeping grains.
 

Bill Pierce
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MDBrew, there is a difference between "malt extract" and malted grains. The former (in dry or liquid form) is made from grains that are mashed and then all or part of the water removed. In a sense it can be thought of as "instant wort" that requires water and boiling with the hops.

Many specialty grains that contribute additional color and flavor to the beer may be steeped and do not require mashing. Most of the pale grains normally used as base malt must be mashed in order to convert their starches to sugars. There is a good article about steeping specialty grains in the May-June 2005 issue of BYO.

As for hopping of extract beers and those in which only a portion of the wort is boiled, consult the December 2005 issue of BYO.
 

Chumley
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Oh, I would probably just double them. But if you are a /Fredrik type, you will want to do the math:

http://www.howtobrew.com/section1/chapter5-5.html
 

MDbrew
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How is the BYO magazine? Is this a good magazine for an extract brewer?
 

Bill Pierce
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You can request a free copy of BYO from their web site: http://www.byo.com

Judge for yourself (as a contributor, I wouldn't want to be accused of self-promotion).
 

michael atkins
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MDbrew - Like Bill said! Yes BYO is a good magazine.
Love This Hobby!

http://msnusers.com/micksbrewery
 

ELK
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(Message edited by elkski on February 11, 2006)
 

Kevin Davis
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MDBrew,
Have you visited, and read the web site howtobrew.com? It should help you out also.
 

ELK
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Ok so pitched in 5 hours and 1 hour more to clean up. Made a couple of mistakes. I did a single batch sparge??? So for hte t.25 #'s I dough in with 2 gals and then added 5.5 more all at once instead of 3 and 2.5 in batches. I need a sight glass. I dont know how my gravity numbers worked out? I never measure the 7.5 #'s DME OG in 6 gals. I did take a reading from the MT right after recirc. OG= 1.012???
This was a fairly well stirred up mixture. After boil hit 10 gals instead of 10.5 at 1.050.
2nd mistake was I didn't FWH but added in at the start of boil.