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Why1504
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Post Number: 378
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well trying to do the right thing I went to my LHBS to pick up my hops for my BVIP I plan to brew this weekend. Well, no Magnum in fact according to the LHBS it has been discontinued. Any suggestions for a replacement hop for my BVIP???
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've been going through this on another forum with some people..there really isn't a close sub for Magnum. Northern Brewer is about as close as the recommendations get and that's not all that close. I think maybe Horizon would be OK, though. Is your LHBS saying that Magnums aren't being grown, or that they're not going to be carrying them?
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Why1504
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Post Number: 379
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well all she said was that they were discontinued, I sensed the distributor (Crosby out of Atlanta) has quit carrying them but who knows. I really want to support the local store.

The last time I went in for liquid yeast they no longer had any yeast either. Unfortunately, it looks like it will be mail order from now on.

Denny, using the Northern Brewer, or the Horizon should I increase the amount?
 

JimTanguay
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.hopsdirect.com/detail.src?SKU=HMAG&Category=Leaf%20Hops
 

Why1504
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Jim. Unfortunately that won't help tonight or tomorrow.
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why1054, just match the IBUs from each contribution.
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Why1504
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Denny.

(Message edited by why1504 on March 31, 2006)
 

Chumley
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would go for Horizons...they are an excellent hop.
 

Animal House
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You might also try Galena or Nugget. Both are high alpha hops, although I don't know how they differ in flavor/aroma from Magnum.
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm with ya, Chumley...I love Horizons...

Animal House, while those are both high alpha, they're both also high cohumulone. The idea is to use a low cohumulone hop so the bittering will blend smoothly into the taste of the beer.
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Animal House
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for the info, Denny. I've never used any of the 4 hops we've discussed (Magnum, Horizon, Galena, or Nugget), so I'm not very familiar with them. Sounds like Horizon and Magnum may be worth trying.
 

Geoff Buschur
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Simcoe is high alpha and low co-hu. The pine Aroma might fit nicely in the porter.
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Denny Conn
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, there's really no aroma hop in the recipe anyway, so that may work, too....
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Greg Beron
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Magnum, (aka Halletauer Magnum) is a high-alpha hop from Germany, which has unfortunately become very hard to get. I like it a lot. Like the other German hops, it's low cohumulone. Warrior and/or Horizon are good subsitutions. Simcoe isn't bad. Nugget and Galena would be my 4th and 5th choices, respectively.
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Bob Girolamo
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I thought Warrior was high cohumulone?
I'd go with Galena, Nugget or Horizon in that order but, for bittering only I wouldn't sweat it.
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Why1504
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Thanks for everything, on the way to the store now to pick up one off the list.
 

Why1504
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Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Looks like Horizons is best high alfa, low cohumulone choice.
 

Graham Cox
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why, I have a spreadsheet that I made that I use to compare hop varieties by the numbers. As in most things organic, the numbers do not convey all of the subtleties and nuances of the actual product, but they are a starting point. With that said:

Are we talking about U.S. Magnums or German Magnums? (Two related but different animals.)

U.S. Perle is quite similar to U.S. Magnum, except in alpha. Mt. Hood is, too. Millenium is almost a carbon copy. Columbus is not that far askew, nor is Tomahawk. Both U.S. and German Northern Brewer would be good choices.

Horizons are an outstanding bitter, but have exceptionally high myrcene levels, a compound to which some attribute much of the Pacific NW profile, i.e. citrusy, piney, etc. I personally have used Horizon extensively, and I have an amber right now that is exclusively Horizons. ("Weird" is my best description. Entirely drinkable, not the least bit objectionable, but just "different.")

I don't know what a "BVIP" is, but I hope this helps.
 

Bob Girolamo
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 02:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I don't know what a "BVIP" is, but I hope this helps"

It's A Denny Conn creation that is wonderful...especially this years vintage:
Bourbon Vanilla Imperial Porter
Ask not what your country can brew for you but, what you can brew for your country!

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Geoff Buschur
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I published these spreadsheets a while back, might be useful to share again:

http://hbd.org/discus/messages/26895/28727.html
"I've been drunk for 14 years...my judgment isn't what it used to be."
 

Guy C
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Warrior seems like a good sub. for Magnum based on AA, Beta-A, and Cohumulone.

Bob, I'm not aware of a generally accepted cut-off point for what people consider a low-cohu. hop., but I've heard others refer to Warrior's 24%-???(upper end not listed) cohu. as low. I know Vinnie likes using it and has referred to it as having a smooth bitterness even when used in larger quantities. Galena in comparison is quite high at 38-42% cohu.
 

Bob Girolamo
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Yeah, you're right Guy, I wasn't looking at the numbers, I just remember the time I think I had Promash set on the Garetz factor without realizing it for some reason and used Warrior in an IPA, it hit me like a wall. For some reason I thought it may be the cohu's but, switching back to Tinseth after the fact, it was ~ 120+ IBU's in a normal IPA gravity of 1.070. I'll have to give it another go with Warrior being I have 1/2 lb sitting in my freezer.
Ask not what your country can brew for you but, what you can brew for your country!

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Denny Conn
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FWIW, I use American Magnum...
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Why1504
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Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well last night turned into the brew session from hell. My efficiency had not been up to snuff so I cranked the mill up a notch. Big mistake, I had my first stuck sparge. Long story short, I lost a good bit of the wort attempting to capture it, and finished up @ 2am with a 1.065 porter. Also I was unable to get the Warrior and ended up with Galena. It really didn't taste quite right. Oh well at least I wasn't at the office.
 

Scott Manning
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Posted on Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 01:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

geoff - cool spreadsheet - i tried to visit the yeast one but got an error - can you post that one too
 

Miker
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Posted on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've never brewed with Magnum but I see that the Sierra Nevada IPA uses Magnum for bittering. I thought this beer had a very harsh bitterness that surprised me since I knew Magnum was supposed to be low cohumulone. Looking back at the thread about the SN IPA beer I see a lot of people really liked it. Neither my wife or I liked it much because of the bitterness. Does no one else consider this hop harsh? Oh, and by the way I love most IPA's and IIPA's.
 

Geoff Buschur
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Scott - try this link http://hbd.org/discus/messages/26895/28704.html
"I've been drunk for 14 years...my judgment isn't what it used to be."