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Tim Pratt
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Post Number: 388
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 04:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just tried my secound keg of American wheat. I had over carbed it last week so I lowered it. I don't think it is still over carbonated but when I taste it it taste sharp and bitter at the end. Any thoughts? It was brewed about 3 to 4 weeks ago, the first keg was good.
Tim
 

PaulK
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Either the beginnings of a lactic infection or possibly excess carbonic acid from the over carbonation. Just some initial thoughts that come to mind.
 

Doug Pescatore
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cluster of chinook hops will give you a nice sharp bitterness.
 

Chris Colby
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"Bitter at the end" is how some folks describe astringency.


Chris Colby
Bastrop, TX
 

Ken Anderson
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I don't know if it was the Cluster, but I've had a similar taste when using it. It reminded me a little bit of the sensation you get from tonic water. Not really a flavor, but an unusual bitterness.

(Message edited by Ken75 on June 20, 2006)
 

Doug Pescatore
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The sharp bitterness is what I like about cluster and chinook.

-Doug
 

MacGregor Outkast
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are you sure it's not a Brett. infection? as explained by a Cincinatti homebrew shop owner, practically all homebrewed beers have some level of Brett. infection in them
 

Dan Listermann
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I'll bite your troll Mac.

Where the hell did you get that strange idea? Please be specific or are you taking up drive-bys as well?

Dan

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MacGregor Outkast
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you mean you aren't the Brett. infection guy danno?
 

Bill Freeman/ER
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Dan's from Cincinnati? You mean I was in Cincinnati for 5 days a coupla weeks ago and didn't know I could shake the "great one's" hand for real? Damn, now I am depressed and I don't even have a Brett infection. I coulda seen the air cooled brewery an' everything....
Bill Freeman aka Elder Rat
KP Brewery - home of "the perfesser"
Birmingham, AL
 

Dan Listermann
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Here come the Rats. . . again.

Dan

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Bill Freeman/ER
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they everywhere...they everywhere...! comin' outa the woodwork....wersun roaches, huh, Danno?
Bill Freeman aka Elder Rat
KP Brewery - home of "the perfesser"
Birmingham, AL
 

Chumley
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I think MacGregor is confused...wasn't it that Covington, Ky LHBS owner the one who though brett was everywhere?
 

Bill Freeman/ER
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Covington KY is virtually a suburb of Cincy Chumley. Just across the OH river.
Bill Freeman aka Elder Rat
KP Brewery - home of "the perfesser"
Birmingham, AL
 

Chumley
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Oh...thanks, ER.

Then it must have been Dan who thought all homebrewers have some level of brett. infection in their beer. Can anyone find that thread?
 

Dan Listermann
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Yea, Chumley, find a thread where I said anything like that. . . . . This should be interesting. . .

Dan

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Tim Pratt
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Did I miss something??? What is this talk about Cluster? I used Cascade for both bittering and aroma. It was a 10 G batch split in two 5 gal cornies. The first keg was fine.

I think I may have stepped into an inside joke or argument...

If it is lactic acid , where did it come from?

Tim
 

Skotrat
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tim,

page down on this one
 

Dan Listermann
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Why, thank you Scott. Something reasonable.

Dan

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brett matthews
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FWIW, I now use Campden tabs to de chlorinate all brewing water, on recommendation from some on this board and also at my LHBS. The harshness I was getting has gone and the beer is alot and I mean a lot better. Do you treat the water in any way Tim?
 

Patrick C.
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Shake a glass of it. Tons of fizz or no?

If the first keg was OK and this one tastes and fizzes like tonic water, I'd say it's still overcarbed. Sharp and bitter is sort of how I'd describe tonic water, and in an American Wheat you probably don't have much to overcome that taste.
 

Tim Pratt
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No I don't treat the water, It is from a well. My mash PH was 6.0 though, allthoew I would think this would affect both kegs.
When I shake the glass there is some fome but not much. Less than if I did it with a store bought beer. I shake it (the keg) and pull the valve to relice the presure.

Tim
 

Doug Pescatore
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Tim,
I brought up cluster and chinook as possible causes for sharp bitterness because I didn't know which hops you used.

-Doug
 

Chumley
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If we still could vote here, I would rate the second post of this thread by PaulK 5 stars, specifically the over-carbing theory may have result in excess carbonic acid in the beer. I think Dan is way off base here on his theory that it is a brett. infection.
 

Dan Listermann
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Still trolling, Chumley?

Scott, break out the bobbers!

Dan

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Belly Buster Bob
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never fails
Bellybuster Bob
www.bellybuster.netfirms.com
 

Chumley
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Trolling? Try googling "Listermann" and "brett." - I think you will get over 800 hits, many from forums other than the B&V.
 

Dan Listermann
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Hey, Troll, er, Chumley, did any of them, ANY OF THEM, have me saying ANYTHING that would justify your post that reads:"Then it must have been Dan who thought all homebrewers have some level of brett. infection in their beer. " You will please be kind enough to post whatever you find that is close.

Scott, did you forget how to do the bobbers?

Dan

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Chumley
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This is like when a school of perch move in under my hole in the ice on Canyon Ferry...
 

MacGregor Outkast
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Chumley, you mean it's fun, but you still don't get enough good stuff to fill the frying pan for dinner?'
 

davidw
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Must be a slow day on the dental floss farm . . .
 

Bill Pierce
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OK, so in the past Dan has expressed the opinion that spontaneous Brettanomyces infection of homebrew is more common than some others believe. And there are those who strongly disagree and enjoy giving him a hard time about it.

That's all there is. Move along, folks, nothing to see here.
 

Ken Anderson
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I nabbed this one from Abene:

And then for the bank fishermen:
 

Dan Listermann
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Thank you, Ken.

Dan

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Chumley
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Do you have one of a giant cicada with a hook in its lip, Ken?
 

Dan Listermann
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Chumley, ask Scott to make one up for you.

Dan

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Catt22
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The sharp bitterness is more than likely a result of spontaneous Serial Bullying which can be symptomatic of a serious and incurable personality disorder. Co-morbidity with Narcississtic Personality Disorder or other Cluster "B" personality disorders is frequesntly diagnosed. OTOH, I could be completely mistaken on this and YMMV. I would allow the beer to continue aging. The sharpness may decrease with conditioning over time.
 

Ken Anderson
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Well now, I just had to use the spinner bait over on the Green Board. Dang it.

And thanks, Scott!
 

Chumley
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Do people actually troll on the Green Board, or are they just pathological Serial Bullies?
 

Dan Listermann
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Wow! Trolling on the Green Board, I can't recall anything major like that there. A while back there was some snipping , but that has been a long time ago and it was handled quickly IIRC. No, I can't say that I have seen much of any manifestation of something that I would call a "Serial Bully" over there, at least not lately.

Dan

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Chumley
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Sniff...if Dan confirms it, then it must be true...I REALLY am a Serial Bully. I will try to mend my ways.Serial Bully
 

Skotrat
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Chumster...

Looks more like you are the one being bullied here
 

Dan Listermann
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Brad Petit
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Tim Pratt said

>I just tried my secound keg of American wheat. I had over carbed it last week so I lowered it. I don't think it is still over carbonated but when I taste it it taste sharp and bitter at the end. Any thoughts? It was brewed about 3 to 4 weeks ago, the first keg was good.
Tim


Tim, I hope all these nice folks have answered your question for you.

bp
 

Chumley
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I think it was answered in the second post, Brad...the rest of us are just bored at work.
 

Ken Anderson
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What's the difference between sniping and trolling?
 

Skotrat
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sniping is what you do to win an ebay auction in the last seconds...

Trolling is what people born in Cincy do...

-Scott

edited to fix eby to ebay

(Message edited by skotrat on June 23, 2006)
 

Dan Listermann
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Well, Loveland, Ohio is considered a Cincy suburb, isn't it, Scott?

Dan

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Skotrat
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I was not born in Loveland Dan...
 

Dan Listermann
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Skotrat
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I was born somewhere on Auburn Avenue however
 

Ken Anderson
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No cicadas with fish hooks, but I did find this cicada pic. There's something here but I just can't put my finger on it.
 

Skotrat
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put a monocle on it and I believe that you are onto something...
 

Dan Listermann
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"I was born somewhere on Auburn Avenue however"

You and William Howard Taft.

"Trolling is what people born in Cincy do... "

Evidently you are at least partially correct, Scott.

Dan

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Skotrat
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Yes They also mash everything at 150f with Coopers Yeast
 

Dan Listermann
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Bad guess on the yeast strain and a bit high on the temperature for me anyway. Don't care much what the guys born on Auburn Avenue do.

Dan

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