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Peter Roman
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Username: Lilbordr

Post Number: 857
Registered: 12-2003
Posted From: 12.2.115.11
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was cruising ebay looking for 220V GFCI's. I found this. What do you guys thing about this bad boy?

Cheers,
Peter 'the kid' Roman
 

Paul Erbe
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Username: Perbe

Post Number: 664
Registered: 05-2001
Posted From: 12.27.22.67
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think one guy and two girls in a hot tub is just fine.
 

dhacker
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Post Number: 384
Registered: 11-2002
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think you can get something similar at Slowes or Home Disappointment for less bucks . . like around $80
 

Peter Roman
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Username: Lilbordr

Post Number: 858
Registered: 12-2003
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just found a godo deal on 4500W elements.

Cheers,
Peter 'the kid' Roman
 

dhacker
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Username: Dhacker

Post Number: 385
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 70.146.180.227
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

8 low density elements for $20??

That's a steal!!

Will your conscience allow it?
 

David S
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Username: Dsundberg

Post Number: 214
Registered: 04-2004
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Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 10:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How will you install the elements into your kettle, welded joints?
 

Peter Roman
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Username: Lilbordr

Post Number: 859
Registered: 12-2003
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Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yeah. I'll go the way of the TIG. Silver solder might be a possibility.

Cheers,
Peter 'the kid' Roman
 

Vance Barnes
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Post Number: 2386
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 208.49.148.10
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't know about the price but I like the configuration. Use the 220V GFI for your elements and the branch circuit for the pump.
 

Paul Muth
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Registered: 10-2002
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Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Peter,

You might want to look around for that panel.
This one:
GFCI Spa Panel
Is $79.83 at Lowe's and has room for 4 additional breakers.

GE Spa Panel at Lowe's

 
 

David S
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Username: Dsundberg

Post Number: 216
Registered: 04-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 02:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I could wrong about this, since I'm not looking at the wiring diagram, but I don't think you are really protected with that Ebay device. It looks to me like they have a 120V GFCI driving a contactor. That will protect only one leg. If the other leg of the 240V circuit faults to ground the GFCI won't trip. Just my 2 cents worth.
 

dhacker
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Username: Dhacker

Post Number: 386
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 208.63.163.130
Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 02:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think it does provide GFCI protection across both branches. It's claim to fame which makes it different than the one at Lowes is the contactor, though I'm not sure how that is a significant benefit. I was at Lowes today and they had both a 50 amp and a 60 amp GE 240v GFCI spa panel, and they were both the same price . . $79.83
 

David S
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Username: Dsundberg

Post Number: 217
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 71.97.10.128
Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 03:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I had a SPA that incorporated a 120 V GFCI in the panel. It, through other safety devices and thermostats, powered the contactor which switched the main heater on/off. If there was a fault in the 120V branch, the GFCI would trip and shutdown everything, including the main heater contactor. However, a fault on one of the main heater legs to ground would not trip it.

The reason I know this is because the heater element opened up and I had to replace it. When I removed it, I could see that the water had eaten through the heater tube and exposed the heater wires. I'm sure that the corrosion was there long before it actually failed and the GFCI had not tripped. That didn't leave me with a good feeling

Again, this could be wired differently and may work just fine.
 

Peter Roman
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Post Number: 860
Registered: 12-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Question regarding 220V elements. Are there 4 wires on them? Leg1, Leg 2, neutral and ground?

Thanks,
Peter 'the kid' Roman
 

David S
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Username: Dsundberg

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Registered: 04-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The water heater elements I've seen have only 2 connections for L1 and L2. The case (mounting screw or flange) is the grounding point.