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ChriSto
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Username: Christo

Post Number: 113
Registered: 02-2006
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob Townsend, beer columnist for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and editor of Southern Brew News, reported on the Men's Journal annual top 25 beers list today in the AJC. Actually not bad for a list, though wouldn't put Firestone Walker as the best beer in the land. I've had nine of these and thought they were all decent, if not "the best". Who's had them all?

MEN'S JOURNAL'S BEST BEERS IN AMERICA

1. Firestone Walker Pale Ale, Paso Robles, Calif.
2. Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA, Milton, Del.
3. Stoudt's Pils, Adamstown, Pa.
4. Russian River Temptation Ale, Santa Rosa, Calif.
5. Avery Mephistopheles' Stout, Boulder, Colo.
6. Anderson Valley Boont Amber Ale, Boonville, Calif.
7. Great Lakes Holy Moses White Ale, Cleveland
8. Full Sail Session Lager, Hood River, Ore.
9. Rogue Brutal Bitter, Newport, Ore.
10. Bell's Expedition Stout, Comstock, Mich.
11. Southampton Double White, Southampton, N.Y.
12. Smuttynose Big A IPA, Portsmouth, N.H.
13. Penn Weizen, Pittsburgh
14. Great Lakes Burning River Pale Ale, Cleveland
15. Ommegang Hennepin, Cooperstown, N.Y.
16. Samuel Adams Black Lager, Boston
17. Sprecher Hefe Weiss, Milwaukee
18. Alaskan Amber, Juneau
19. Deschutes Broken Top Bock, Bend, Ore.
20. Lost Abbey Avant Garde, San Marcos, Calif.
21. Jolly Pumpkin Bam Bière, Dexter, Mich.
22. Victory St. Victorious Doppelbock, Downington, Pa.
23. Allagash Interlude, Portland, Maine
24. Alesmith Speedway Stout, San Diego
25. New Glarus Yokel, New Glarus, Wis.

EDIT: Bob Townsend didn't make up the list, he just commented on it in his column this morning. The list is from Men's Journal but not sure of the author(s).

(Message edited by christo on October 25, 2006)
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 5963
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 01:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This was published a little more than a month ago and has generated quite a bit of discussion on BeerAdvocate and RateBeer. The list is clearly quirky and idiosyncratic, but it's a lot more interesting than the "usual suspects" you would expect in a general interest magazine, and none of the beers would disappoint. I wonder how many beers on the list those of us here have had. I count 10 I have tried.
 

Ken Anderson
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Post Number: 1755
Registered: 11-2002
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've had one on that list.

I've had very little exposure to "high-end" commercial beers. Does that make me a bad brewer?
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 5965
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I dunno, Ken. If a tree falls in the forest...
 

J. Steinhauer
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I count four for certain. Though I've had many things that I can not recall. To even compare IPA, imperial stout and weissbier is nonsensical.
 

Denny Conn
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Post Number: 5964
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not a bad brewer, Ken, but possibly light on tasting experience....
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Beerboy AKA The Jolly Brewer
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've had one... but my excuse is I'm an Englishman residing in my home country... Not many US brews make it over here.
 

ChriSto
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Post Number: 114
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Beerboy-
Was just reading in, I think, the Ale Street News here (or maybe Zymurgy) that there is an American Craft Beer Tour going around England right now with brews from Dog Fish Head, Victory and Rogue (mentioned above) and others. Check out upcoming events at some pubs and you might get to taste one!
 

Beerboy AKA The Jolly Brewer
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Will do, I've had Dogfish Raison d'etre and 90 minute IPA, loads of Rogue, victory hop devil, Brooklyn lager, sam adams, Sierra nevada pale, Goose island honkers and IPA, and a few others.

I've been very impressed with most of the beers I've tried, Of all of them, Rogue consistently impressed me, as did Dogfish head. Goose Island IPA is very good as was Anchor celbration, but steam beer sucks big time IMO.

It's a shame more craft brewed US ales and lagers don't make it over here, but I think shipping is pretty pricey, and the cost per unit makes it a little prohibitive in a competive market, US beers are almost always more expensive than UK ones. The free trade is pretty much controlled by supermarkets and large off license chains so choice is often limited, as a result, the independent beer specialist shops tend to be a little more pricey, and when you can brew you own......
 

Ken Anderson
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And tasting experience, I feel, is the only way to learn the styles. Some of the BJCP descriptions just don't do the trick. For instance, I really don't know what the hell to call my dark lager.
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 04:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ken, come on out for a visit and we'll give ya a crash course!
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Mike
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Username: Macker

Post Number: 244
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have had eight of these beers.

Overall, I say this list is, like any other compilation of "bests", a personal preference more than anything.

Hmmmm....not one beer from WA State....I can think of many that could be there....Elysian Immortal IPA, Dick's Danger Ale, Elysian Dragontooth Stout, Powerhouse Hefeweizen, Powerhouse Mexilager...no Montana beers either! I know Montana beers have limited distribution outside of the last best place, but Chumley can maybe pipe in and tell everyone about the beer known as the best IPA in all the land....
 

David Lewinnek
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob Townsend is based in the southeast, so it's not surprising that he gave short shrift to the northwest.

What surprises me is the degree to which he was able to make a noationwide list. There are a number of local breweries on that list that probably aren't available more than a few states away from the brewery (Smuttynose in NH, New Glarus in WI and Deschutes in OR come to mind).
 

Chumley
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 06:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have had 5...Brutal Bitter number 9? That beer has WAY too much crystal malt....Macker is correct...Blackfoot River Brewing Co.'s Single Malt IPA is the finest in all the land. I would put a Bayern specialty beer like O'fest, Doppelbock, or Maibock on the list as well.
 

ChriSto
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Post Number: 116
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

David - Didn't mean to confuse, but Bob Townsend actually just commented on the list from Men's Journal in his column this morning (he was pissed that no southeastern beers were represented and that it is difficult to get most of those on the list in Georgia). He didn't make the list up. Not sure who did.

Don't want Bob mad at me.
 

David Lewinnek
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Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, now that I read your post I see that Bob Townsend was commenting on someone else's list.

I'm still impressed with the geographic diversity, although it does seem to skip beers from the Southeast or Texas. Living in Boston, I don't get exposed enough to those beers, but I'm sure there are some that deserve to be on the list.

It's also a surprisingly interesting list for Men's Journal. I guess that magazine has changed since I last read it.
 

Steve Funk
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Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I count 10 from the list. While I don't have any problem with #9 being Rogue Brutal Bitter, what slays me is #8 Full Sail Session Lager. IMO, that beer doesn't have enough taste to be included on such a list. I mean, give me a break.
 

Richard Nye
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Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I count 9. And I'm surprised at some of the ones listed too. This is about as controversial as the 25 best hamburger list. It's mostly a matter of personal preference.
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Bob Townsend actually just commented on the list from Men's Journal in his column this morning (he was pissed that no southeastern beers were represented and that it is difficult to get most of those on the list in Georgia). He didn't make the list up"

I have had 3.

I wonder if my location has anything to do with that. I imagine a magazine like Men's Journal may have a N.Y./L.A. perspective and would consider Atlanta "fly-over country".

I am going to head over to Green's on my break and take the list and see how many are available here in the ATL.
Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew and he'll waste a lifetime.
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 01:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just got back from Green's. You are probably saying to yourself, WTF is Green's?. Green's has one of the largest beer selections in Georgia. http://www.greensbeverages.com/

Anyway, here are the only beers I am able to purchase:

1. Firestone Walker Pale Ale, Paso Robles, Calif. (bought a 6-pack)
9. Rogue Brutal Bitter, Newport, Ore.
15. Ommegang Hennepin, Cooperstown, N.Y.
16. Samuel Adams Black Lager, Boston

The following two breweries had many other beers but not the specific beers listed:

5. Avery Mephistopheles' Stout, Boulder, Colo.
21. Jolly Pumpkin Bam Bière, Dexter, Mich.

Looks like Bob Townsend has a point.
Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew and he'll waste a lifetime.
 

Richard Nye
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That's pretty pathetic, Bob. Now I see why you homebrew.
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 03:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Richard,

The selection of beers at Green's is still quite large. I think this is more a reflection of what is available and where it is available than of how many are available here. I hope that made sense.

Georgia has only been able to have beers over 6% ABV for 2 years now. For some reason, they capped the limit at 14% making it impossible for the stores to get Sam Adams Utopias.

It is obvious we in the south are still playing catch-up to you damn yankees.
Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew and he'll waste a lifetime.
 

Tom Meier
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Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 06:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Those are some pretty varied regional breweries, and their lesser known beers... no way all those are available in Colorado, much less Georgia.

Thanks to beer of the month club I have had 10 of those. On my own I would have only had 4.

Here in Nashville I have only seen
2. Dogfish Head 60 Minute IPA, Milton, Del.
9. Rogue Brutal Bitter, Newport, Ore.
16. Samuel Adams Black Lager, Boston

I consider Atlanta to have a great selection relative to here..
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fortunately I travel now and then, so I get to sample beers I would not otherwise find. I have seen only four on that list ever available here in Ontario, as seasonal selections at the provincial liquor monopoly. But I suppose that's not so surprising considering that the vast majority are from small US microbreweries.