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ELK
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Post Number: 1842
Registered: 01-2003
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Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I only was able to drain off 5 gals before the trickle set in. I had to siphon out the last 4.5 gals. I bagged the pellet hops in paint strainer bags. I did throw one ounce of whole in? the grain bill was 22 #'s pale 2-row nad 1# dextrin. mashed at 152 for 90 minutes. I had a brew buddy drop by and he said my runnings were more cloudy than his?

Do I need a new MT filter system? I run about 2 qt through and then just go for it. I agree it is not clear?
Maybe I need a better bazooka tee?

This happens about every 4-5 times I brew but this was the worst.
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ELK
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Post Number: 1843
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Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I did mash out with 184 degree water today. About 6 degrees hot.. Could that be a contributor? this was fly sparged.
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Tom Gardner
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Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What did you make it out of? Tom
 

ELK
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Post Number: 1845
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Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Both filters use the 1/2" ss braided hose. THe BK has a tee configuration with about 6-7" on each leg. The tee starts in the BK center and the ends go out to the wall. I wasted a good 10% of my brew today. Kinda bummed about that.
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Mike A.
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Post Number: 276
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Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd look at a different type of filter for the boil kettle not mash tun. I once tried the hose braid in the BK and it clogged instantly. I really like a false bottom in the BK or perhaps a hop stopper.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't use anything in my kettle but a stainless scrubbie on the end of the pickup tube routed to the side. I whirlpool the wort (using a paddle) for a couple of minutes at the end of the boil, then cover it and let the trub settle for 15 minutes or so into a pile in the center of the kettle bottom. Of course I also use hop bags with pellets, so there isn't a huge amount of loose hop trub. I've never understood the need for elaborate wort filtration.

As for the mash tun, I like my false bottom, although I know many people who have good results with hose braid. The runoff doesn't need to be crystal clear, merely absent of major solid particles. It's also a matter of adjusting the crush to find what gives you good efficiency without clogging your system.
 

Mike A.
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With the use of plate chillers there needs to be some type of filtration in the boil kettle. I've tried the scrubbie on the end of a stainless racking cane and it got clogged.

I've found a false bottom with dip tube to the center to work very well in a keg kettle because it can drain completely.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Monday, March 05, 2007 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike, I think the difference between the diameter of a racking cane (typically about 5/16 inch) and the 1/2 inch copper pipe I use for a kettle pickup tube is significant. The larger surface area across the scrubbie spreads the solids over a larger area and prevents clogging. And while I don't use a plate chiller, my homemade CF chiller uses 3/8 inch (the actual inside diameter is slightly less) copper tubing, so clogging could be a problem.

By the way, what is the narrowest passage in the plate chillers (Therminator or Shirron)?
 

Randy Ricchi
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 01:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Elk,
I think if you used nothing but whole hops you wouldn't have had a problem. While you were smart to bag your pellet hops (because if you didn't the pellet "spooge" would surely clog the SS mesh), your ounce of whole hops may not have been enough to form an adequate natural "filter bed" above the SS screen. As a result,the hot-break may have clogged the screen. If you had nothing but whole hops in there, and let things settle for 10 min or so after end-of-boil, the hops would have covered the SS screen, and held the hot-break away from the SS screen. Think of it this way: the screen keeps the whole hops from coming through to the fermentor, the whole hops on the screen keeps the hot break from entering the fermentor.
 

ELK
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Post Number: 1847
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 02:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe I will try the panty hose as Bill uses. I have some and have used them before but I felt like the pores were to small to utilize my hops to the fullest. But I'm not sure its the pellet hops. I only used 7 oz. When I said egg drop soup I was serious. it looked like fine curly egg strands or cat brains and it was very slow to settle. I have always thought this was cold or hot break?
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dhacker
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 03:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have I been lucky? I dunno, but I just can't subscribe to the idea that un-bagged pellet hops are a sure way to gum up the works. I use pellets, and nothing but pellets, so help me god, and just toss them directly into the BK. I only use the knee highs when dry hopping. I've made several batches since I re-engineered my pickup and bought a plate chiller, but each time the kettle drained perfectly through the SS braid ring nestled on the bottom of the BK's outer walls, through the Therminator, and into the fermenter. No probs whatsoever with clogging.

ELK, I’d say redo the pickup and give yourself more than two stubs of braid that terminate directly in the bottom middle of the BK. That’s where the greatest concentration of trub is going to be anyway.
 

Geoff Buschur
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dhacker,

You describe my BK design (http://hbd.org/discus/messages/34426/36157.html). It clogs every time I use pellet hops.
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dhacker
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That’s just too bizarre. Here is a pic of my BK pickup. The only difference I can see is that my “T” proper is at the outlet level and the arms provide some separation to the junction. Maybe the clogging on your and ELK’s system is the result of trub entering the braid right at the “T” and plugging the “T” rather than clogging the surface of the braid’s perimeter.

That’s a wordy hypothesis that may have zero validity!
 

Bill Pierce
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dhacker, what's the purpose of having a thermometer in your kettle? Do you use an immersion chiller and want to monitor the temperature as the wort is chilling?
 

Christopher Allen
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Post Number: 27
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That's why I have a thermometer in mine.
 

dhacker
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Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The thermometer is a throwback to when I used an IC . . Now, since I use a plate chiller, I really only use it to gauge how close I am to reaching 212 so I can watch for the dreaded boil over.
 

ELK
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Ok so I'm glad its not just me. You might be onto something with the tee in the middle.
DH, do you have a coupling to remove the tee? I zoomed in and just cant see. It looks like a hose clamp nut? Anyway I think I will redo mine today.

Another possible factor and difference yesterday is that I stopped my flow between 5 gals batches so I could further cool things. So I lost my full flow siphon draw in my downtube and was never able to regain it. I normally just quickly switch ale pails. How long is your down tube and what size. mine is only about 6" and 1/2" copper.

I Just cant shake this hobby.
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dhacker
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ELK,

I cut two 1/4" long slits in the end of the "T" with my Dremel to allow it to slide over a very short piece of 1/2" copper pipe attached to the threaded connector. Then, I just used a SS hose clamp to tighten the "T" to the pipe. Easy removal of the pickup assembly that way! Not sure if it is easy to discern in the pic, but the two pickup arms angle down as well as away from the "T" so that the braid sits on the BK's bottom.
 

Mike A.
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I use a thermometer in the kettle because it's also used to heat strike water for the mash.

Bill, I'm not sure what the narrowest passage in a plate chiller is but it's recommended to keep hop debris and particles out.

I think you may be right about the pickup tube diameter affecting the use of a scrubbie filter.