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Marlon Lang
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Username: Marlon_lang

Post Number: 64
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 68.155.93.235
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hiya kids, hiya hiya.
Effective April 19, 2007 Olde Man Lang retired.
The promised "Olde Man Lang's Tip of the Month" will become "Olde Man Lang's Tip of Whenever He Wants to do it".
That said, here is a tip:
When you brew (all grain), do not empty and clean your mash tun until the next day. Then, drain it and you will get 1/4 to 1/2 gal of wort which can be boiled and used for yeast starter.
Store the boiled wort in 1 quart Mason Jars and use, as needed.
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Non carborundum rectum
 

dhacker
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Username: Dhacker

Post Number: 887
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 74.226.105.59
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

. . you will get 1/4 to 1/2 gal of wort which can be boiled and used for yeast starter.

Interesting . . .

Is that based on a five gallon, ten gallon, or some other sized batch from the original mash?
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 4339
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 65.27.158.31
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If, for some reason, you happen to forget to clean up your mash tun the next day, you will be sorry . . .

(Message edited by listermann on May 16, 2007)

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Ted Grudzinski
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 08-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 01:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Got to agree with Dan on this one, doesn't your mash smell and go sour? Mine does. Why doesn't yours?
 

Graham Cox
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Username: T2driver

Post Number: 1113
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.32.253.156
Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mine reeks. It's just nasty.
 

dhacker
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Username: Dhacker

Post Number: 888
Registered: 11-2002
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 02:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, I too wondered about that, but I figured Marlon was speaking from experience. I confess, I've never left my mash tun uncleaned overnight to see how sour it would get, but I have left clothes in the washing machine a time or two, and they smelt of rurnt punkin' the next day . .

Does that count for anything?!
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 7089
Registered: 01-2002
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 02:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A few hours, maybe. Overnight, yecchh!!!
 

brett matthews
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Post Number: 162
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have left the mash tun full overnight once, and only once, when I invited my lunatic brother and a mate of mine over for a brew day. We were careful to keep our fluids up during the day and by the end of it I couldn't be bothered cleaning the tun or the boiler. Went quite rancid within 24 hours, actually smelled like very sour sourdough.
 

Connie
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Username: Connie

Post Number: 988
Registered: 10-2000
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Effective April 19, 2007 Olde Man Lang retired"

Congratulations on your retirement!!

I got out in 2001 after 35+ years with one company
Might take a few months to settle in with your new routine, but you'll love it.
 

Bill Walton
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Username: Vladie

Post Number: 182
Registered: 06-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It also depends upon what you mash in and when you mash. The one time I did an evening brew I was too tired to bother with cleaning up that night, so I just left the lid tightly on my cooler mash tun and dealt with it the next day. I was surprised by how much heat came off the mash when I opened the lid, so I stuck a thermometer in and the mash was still around 140.

Also, I know a few people who mash overnight as a way to save time in the brewing process.

BW
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 4340
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Saving the "squeezins" from spent grain might work for batch sparging, but for fly sparging, there is probably little point. My final runnings are around 1.010 S.G. - less than a quarter pound of extract per gallon.

As for forgetting to clean out your mash tun, if you do it once, you probably won't do it again.

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Doug J
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Username: Doug_j

Post Number: 267
Registered: 06-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Non carborundum rectum"

Don't sand your ass?
Malam cerevisiam faeceus in cathedram stercoris
 

Hophead
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Username: Hophead

Post Number: 2574
Registered: 03-2002
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Go back into retirement... as DL mentions, the gravity at the end of the mash should be very low, even with batch sparging IMHO... I typically don't clean up until the next day, and it's on it's way to becoming sour as well.
 

ScottDeW
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Username: Scott

Post Number: 508
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Welcome to retirement, Dad!

Let's hope that does not mean I'm one step closer to my inheritance? :-)
Scott
http://texanbrew.com
 

Marlon Lang
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Username: Marlon_lang

Post Number: 66
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 68.155.112.131
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 12:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Olde Man Langs Answers

dhacker: 1/4 to 1/2, 5 gallons

Dan, Ted, Graham, Bill: Keep your mash tun covered. If you sparge around 170F, the mash will be around 140F the next day, and still not remind you of wet socks.

Dan, Hophead: I use both fly and batch, and I go to an endpoint. Still, the "squeezins" will be worthwhile. Trust me. I'll pull it out before ....

DougJ: Your translation is word-for-word correct. However, mine is "Don't let the bastards wear you down."

Son: I have not changed my will, and don't quit your day job..

Non carborundum rectum
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 7097
Registered: 01-2002
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Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 12:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wouldn't trust a converted keg to hold the temperature above 140 F over 10-12 hours. It's possible that a very well-insulated (including the lid) cooler might do so.
 

Marlon Lang
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Username: Marlon_lang

Post Number: 68
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 68.155.112.131
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BP,
You are correct. I use an Igloo cooler.

Non carborundum rectum
 

Brewzz
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Username: Brewzz

Post Number: 313
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 67.94.59.58
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

should be Illegitimi non carborundum ...;)
Cheers,Brewzz

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David Lewinnek
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Username: Davelew

Post Number: 318
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 198.51.251.205
Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I use this technique, only I typically drain the mash at the end of the brewday, not the next day.

For those that say this just plain won't work, ever heard of partigyle brewing? It's pretty much the same method as this, getting fermentable wort out of the grains after you have all the wort you want/need for your main beer.

You can get last runnings of 1.010 on almost any mashtun if you sparge enough, but if you're making a 1.080 Belgian, what are you going to do with those 1.010 runnings? They would dilute your beer if you added them straight to the boil, so why not keep the last runnings for starters?
 

Mike G.
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Username: Mikeg

Post Number: 128
Registered: 04-2005
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Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'll echo david and others, I save and freeze last runnings for used in future starters. I just boil it when I need a starter...
 

Marlon Lang
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Username: Marlon_lang

Post Number: 69
Registered: 12-2006
Posted From: 70.149.191.220
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 02:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Data Point, next day, 14 hours after brewing:
1 1/2 Qt liquor
1.043
90 F
No off-oder

Quis Erat Demonstrium

Thanks, Brewzz. I will change it after this post.
Did I spell QED correctly?

Non carborundum rectum
 

Marlon Lang
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Username: Marlon_lang

Post Number: 70
Registered: 12-2006
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 02:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Connie,
Please update your email address, or send me one. Brew Masters of Alpharetta club-only event judging.
Illegitimi non carborundum rectum