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Tex Brewer
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Post Number: 187
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.203.59.252
Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm setting up the beer at an event where we will have both a Corny keg of homebrew, and a Sanke keg or two of a good local micro. I want to set up my CO2 to drive them all. I have a manifold for three hoses, but I don't know how to connect to the Sankes. Can the standard picnic hand pump be taken apart and hoses attached, or does it require an adapter I need to purchase?
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 7747
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A picnic tap will dispense from a Sanke coupler, which of course you will need for the Sanke keg. Merely connect the line from the picnic tap to the beer-out fitting on the coupler. Connect the line from the CO2 manifold to the gas-in fitting on the coupler. Voila, you're in business!
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 235
Registered: 07-2007
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Tex,

You need to buy one of these:

http://www.superprod.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=100 01&storeId=10001&categoryId=254168&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=254103

Then you can attach your gas manifold to the side inlet of the tap and your COBRA TAP to the top liquid out on the tap...

It will be rather Ghetto but it will serve beer and that is all that matters
 

Steve Jones
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Username: Stevej

Post Number: 381
Registered: 08-2001
Posted From: 199.190.8.12
Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You need a Sanke Coupler like this:

Sanke Coupler

The CO2 line connects to the side, the beer out is the top.
 

Geoff Buschur
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Username: Avmech

Post Number: 1520
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 65.170.41.5
Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

These are slick too:
http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/tailpiece-mfl.jpg

"Tail Piece with 1/4" MFL connector. Fits inside a hex nut or wing nut http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/tail-pieces.jpg. Instead of a barb, it provides a 1/4" MFL connection, so you can easily change between commercial kegs and homebrew kegs."
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 236
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

These are slick too:
http://www.northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/tailpiece-mfl.jpg


Thanks Geoff...

I knew I had seen that durn thing but could not remember where.

Those are very slick indeed!
 

Geoff Buschur
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Username: Avmech

Post Number: 1521
Registered: 06-2004
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It would help if I posted a link so you could order it.

They are 3rd from the bottom:
http://www.northernbrewer.com/liquid-hardware.html
 

Mike A.
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Username: Mike_a

Post Number: 360
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 128.173.15.155
Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've got this setup at home for switching between corny and sanke kegs. Part numbers for NB (the disconnects are reversed in photo).
corny_commercial
 

Tex Brewer
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bill, So are you saying that I can remove the hand pump barrel from the picnic tap and attach a CO2 hose? I do have a tail piece/hose barb if needed. I don't really want to buy more hardware.
 

Mike A.
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Post Number: 361
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can remove the hand pump barrel from the picnic tap and attach a CO2 hose?

Yep, that will work.
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 7748
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Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 10:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I highly recommend using threaded 1/4 in. flare fittings for all beer and gas lines. It makes it extremely easy, for example, to switch among ball-lock corny, pin-lock corny and Sanke kegs. The only coupler I have seen that will not accept a flare fitting adapter is the gas-in connector for a Hoff-Stevens keg, and those are becoming quite rare.
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1447
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Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

On Hoff-Stevens taps, a short piece of gas line with a female flare fitting on the end will do. Then a male-to-male flare adapter screwed into that will allow you to hook up to the female flare fitting in the end of the line from your CO2 source.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Paul's right that you could make a "pigtail" for the gas-in connection on a Hoff-Stevens tap that would allow it to be connected to a threaded 1/4 in. flare fitting. However, the female flare fittings are hard to find, as are double-ended male couplings.

The situation is typical to that for plumbing fittings, just another reason why I seem to have worn a path to the plumbing aisle at my local mega home center.
 

Paul Edwards
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Post Number: 1448
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No, Bill, I meant the 1/4 inch female flare fittings with the hose barb, sometimes called swivel nuts. The ones you can get at most any HB store.

http://northernbrewer.com/pics/fullsize/barbed-swivel-nuts.jpg

And the male-to-male 1/4 inch flare fittings in brass are available at most any hardware store, at least around here.
 

Vance Barnes
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Post Number: 2903
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Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some Sanke hand pumps you can remove the pump and attach CO2 lines and some you can't. I just cleaned a Micromatic hand pump/coupler that I was given and there is not a way to attach a CO2 line when you remove the hand pump. I have another one that you can unscrew the pump and screw in a hose barb or flare fitting.

It doesn't apear that Micromatic still makes the hand pump tap like the one I have.
 

Tex Brewer
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Post Number: 190
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Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The deed is done. Turned out to be rather simple. I unscrewed the pump barrel from the picnic pump (by hand-easy). I found a brass hose barb fitting that matched the threads. hosebarbWrapped some teflon tape around it, screwed it in where the barrel was, and attached my gas line to that. I pulled off the (short) picnic tap beer out line from its barb and put on my 5' beer out line w/tap. In business. You may need to get an adapter that has the right size male threads if you can't find a hose barb with the right threads.

Note that Steve Jones' post states that the beer-out line is the top. That is incorrect, as the gas-in line is at the top (where I screwed in my brass barb) and the beer out is the hose barb on the side in Steve's picture.

(Message edited by texbrewer on October 15, 2007)
 

dhacker
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Post Number: 1101
Registered: 11-2002
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Note that Steve Jones' post states that the beer-out line is the top. That is incorrect, as the gas-in line is at the top (where I screwed in my brass barb) and the beer out is the hose barb on the side in Steve's picture.

Huh?

My Sanke tap is the way Steve describes it and as depicted in Mike A's photo . .
 

Paul Edwards
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Make that a Double-Huh?
 

Bob Wall
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Post Number: 1156
Registered: 11-2004
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Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I see the confusion...The keg and coupler are set up correctly, but he has the wrong corny fittings next to the gas & beer lines
 

Tex Brewer
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Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe the rigs pictured are different from the standard "picnic pump." Unscrew the barrel on top and screw in the gas-in hose barb. The beer out hose is on the side. pump
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The photo in Mike A.'s post shows a standard Sankey coupler. Tex's is constructed different.

As you can see, Tex's photo shows the beer line exiting out the side and the air pump. I am not familiar with this model, but I would like to take one apart to see how it works.
 

Steve Jones
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Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Note that Steve Jones' post states that the beer-out line is the top. That is incorrect, as the gas-in line is at the top (where I screwed in my brass barb) and the beer out is the hose barb on the side in Steve's picture.

Nope - it is correct.

Standard Sanke couplers (the picture I posted) are oriented differently than the hand pumps. On the tens of thousands of Sanke couplers in bars throughout the US the beer out is the top fitting, and the gas in is the side fitting.

Look closely at Mike A.'s setup and you'll see beer in the line attached to the top fitting. Mike does indeed have the corny fittings swapped in his picture.
 

Mike A.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, the disconnects are reversed in the photo. Party pump sanke couplers are indeed different than sanke couplers that are designed for CO2. I found this Vertical Converter that will allow you to put a pump on the top of a standard sanke coupler, though I'm not sure why there's an additional gas line barb.