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Jeff Preston
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Username: Jeffpreston

Post Number: 278
Registered: 02-2004
Posted From: 209.202.62.223
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just splurged and bought myself an I-Mac computer. The kids can abuse the Windows computer. Will Promash work with the new one or should I just formulate recipes on the Dell?
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1489
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 70.236.8.228
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If you have an Intel-based Mac, you can install and boot it from Windows. See if you can find out about "Boot Camp", a utility from Apple to allow you to do this. Boot Camp comes with the new OS, Leopard (OS X version 10.5). I think you can d/l it to use on an intel Mac that is still using Tiger (OS X 10.4)

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html

Normally you can either have the Mac OS up or Windows up, but not both. However there are a couple of third party programs out there that will allow you to have Windows running in parallel with the Mac OS. One is Parallels Desktop. Another one is VMware Fusion. Both are available from the Apple on-line store, or probably from other s/w retailer as well.

Caveat: I don't do any of this as my Mac is a dual processor Power PC G5 from a couple of years ago. I do use ProMash with Virtual PC and Windows 98 on my old Mac.

I also use BeerAlchemy on this Mac. It can import Promash recipe files. It pretty much does the same stuff as ProMash, but the interface is a little slicker.
 

Jeff Preston
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Username: Jeffpreston

Post Number: 279
Registered: 02-2004
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Paul. I'll look into your suggestions. This is the first Mac I've used so it will be a whole new learning curve.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5165
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.59.245
Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jeff, is your Mac as intuitive as they say?
 

Jeff Preston
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Username: Jeffpreston

Post Number: 280
Registered: 02-2004
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 11:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So far seems to be quite awesome, Dan. And by the way Paul, BeerAlchemy looks quite interesting.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5166
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have not meshed well with PCs. My next computer will be a Mac.
 

Joel Halpine
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Username: Jackhammer

Post Number: 52
Registered: 10-2007
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jeff,

The office uses both Mac (my preference) and Windows based. Almost all of the Macs are running Windows simultaneously. The only drawback is that to do it legally you need to buy Parallels and the Windows platform as well to run anything in Windows.

To all considering the switch, I cannot recommend it enough. The problems with Mac isn't in the opreation, but in the innovations. Every 6 months or so they come up with something pretty cool and you will watch your computer get outdated quicker than with Windows. It is also a bummer to have to buy a computer with an integrated screen (unless you are ready to fork over a few grand for the tower or sacrifice a lot of potential and get the mini). It seems cool, but when you need to update to a new computer, you will be purchasing the monitor too. Course, it reduces wires and fits in small spaces.

I don't use Promash, and the last time I checked it was only in Win format (requiring Parallels or Boot Camp), but I haven't checked in a long time. Years ago a guy that used to post on this sight sent me his homemade version on excel (I am sure he made it on Win, but mac doesn't know the difference). Anyone know what happened to Greg Remec? I think that was his name. He was a spreadsheet wizard.
 

FrugalBrewer
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Username: Frugalbrewer

Post Number: 137
Registered: 05-2001
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 03:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm de-Bill Gatesing myself as well, at least at home. Giving Ubuntu 7.10:
http://www.ubuntu.com
a shot.

Anyone running brew programs and which ones on Linux??
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1490
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 70.225.134.201
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Joel,

I have an Excel spreadsheet originally put out by Glenn Tinseth many moons ago. I've done some tweaks to it for my brewery, and done some changes in how the predicted beer color is calculated.

Want a copy?

As for older Mac's, my parents are still using the slot loading CRT iMAc I got them back in 2001. I have upgraded it to 1 GByte of RAM and moved them up to OS X 10.3.9, so I think they'll be good for a few more years.

Most of the Windows users I know seem to switch hardware a lot more often than most the Mac users I know. Yeah I don't have an Intel Mac, but I don't see the need to get one, either. I have a desktop tower dual processor G5 I bought two years ago when I retired. I figure It'll last quite a bit longer.
 

dhacker
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Username: Dhacker

Post Number: 1212
Registered: 11-2002
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 01:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Frugal,

Not yet, but I'm in the process of evaluating knoppix, http://www.knoppix.org/ Ubuntu, and pclinuxos. http://www.pclinuxos.com/ Also wine emulator.

Since Vista is becoming the modern day ME, and MS seems intent on force feeding us all this crap, (oooh, but I can make a clock look like a sunflower on my desktop) I'm seriously studying the other options.
 

Bob Boufford
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Post Number: 386
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jeff,

I have Mac Pros (desktop and notebook) running both Parallels and Bootcamp. Some of my staff use VMWare Fusion instead of Parallels. The only time I need to run Bootcamp is to start up MS FlightSim X as it's too intensive for a VM.

On my Macbook Pro, I've started using Beer Alchemy (http://www.kentplacesoftware.com/products/BeerAlchemy.html). Not as sophisticated as ProMash but for me it does what I need. There is also Homebrew Formulator (google for sites to download) but haven't really used it.

And as Paul suggested, there's numerous Excel spreadsheets.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 445
Registered: 07-2007
Posted From: 24.34.40.158
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have not meshed well with PCs. My next computer will be a Mac.

But Dan... Come on... unless you learn the OS you will never progress. The MAC is not easier. It still has its faults and lots of them.

Once you get a MAC you will not have the SILVER BULLET that will suddenly do everything for you. OS's just do not work like that.

When you get your MAC it will not magically show you how to include images on your website and post images here etc.

You need to take some time and learn the programs and how they work.

In my opinion no OS is better than any other OS.


I work with XP home, XP PRO, WIN2000, WIN2003, LINUX, BSD, OS8-xxx, AIX, SUN OS and a gaggle of other OS's on a day to day basis. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.

(Message edited by skotrat on December 12, 2007)
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 8177
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 24.57.225.170
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've got objections to them all. I'm no fan of greedy Bill Gates and his Henry Ford-like vision of how an OS (and the world) should be. Nor does Steve Jobs and his we're-just-insanely-great arch hipness appeal to me. As for linux, I don't appreciate the attitude that I should be forced to be a geek whether I want to or not.

I've been involved with computers for 25 years now, and I'm getting a little tired of it all. By this point the goal should be merely for everyone to get their work done, with the focus far more on the results than the process.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 447
Registered: 07-2007
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 04:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well said Bill
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 1467
Registered: 02-2002
Posted From: 71.234.46.245
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My main objection to the Mac is Mac-enthusiasts. It would be a nice OS if it didn't come encrusted with smug know-it-alls.

I still fondly remember VMS back in the '80s. You could set it to keep, say, the last 5 versions of every file. Better than a "Recycle Bin"; it made a copy after each edit. Saved my bacon more than a few times to be able to restore an old version after screwing something up. Why can't we have now what we had 25 years ago?
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 448
Registered: 07-2007
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yes Paul...

They are worse than Smelly "DEADHEADS"
 

ben hackbarth
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Username: Benhackbarth

Post Number: 10
Registered: 12-2006
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

while its true that no OS is perfect, ubuntu is probably the best thing out there right now. wine should work well running promash.

though i'm not especially fond of the "steve jobs image", its only marketing. luckily for mac users, the ease-of-use and slick marketing concepts don't limit what you can do with the machine. and, despite his hip image when apple has those product-release meetings with the press, at least his software works. vista got pwned
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 451
Registered: 07-2007
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ubuntu is probably the best thing out there right now.

Best thing for what?

Is there WebSphere support?

Oracle Fusion Support?

Does SAP run on it?

BEA?
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1491
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good thing I don't need SAP to put together a beer recipe...
 

bierslayer
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Username: Bierslayer

Post Number: 94
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 66.191.112.237
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What would really be nice is if there could be a thread somewhere in this universe in which someone asks a question about Mac's or OS X without anyone feeling compelled to point out how their users are all snobs and Mac's are like, totally dumb. I hope we can also move this fascinating debate to finally settle what's better: Fords or Chevys.

To answer Jeff's question, as noted Promash won't run natively on the Mac so unless you shell out money for either BeerAlchemy (they have a demo version you can play around with) or BeerTools Pro (unfortunately no demo to test drive) you're probably better off sticking with Promash on the Dell.

Of course I probably don't have to tell you this because you've now become a smug know-it-all simply by purchasing the iMac.
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 1468
Registered: 02-2002
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, please. Lighten up. I know that not every Mac owner is the Mac enthusiast from Hell. I'm sure that most are very nice people. In fact, some of my best friends use Macs. (That's a true statement, not just a tired cliche.) My mom and dad (separately, because they are divorced) are both very nice Mac users.

But many stereotypes are born from a seed of truth. Smarmy Mac Zealots exist, always ready to spout half-true factoids to prove the superiority of their beloved platform. It's a fact. My father-in-law is one.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 452
Registered: 07-2007
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Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good thing I don't need SAP to put together a beer recipe..

Would you like a Java WebDynpro or a Visual Composer app for that???
 

Jeff Preston
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Username: Jeffpreston

Post Number: 281
Registered: 02-2004
Posted From: 209.202.19.129
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, oh,I opened a can of worms unknowingly. But what the heck, it's good reading. Now I must get back to gloating over my new toy. Thank's for the info guys.
 

ben hackbarth
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 12-2006
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>>ubuntu is probably the best thing out there right now
>Best thing for what?

i'm thinking somewhat abstracted from software: usability, flexibility, security.

you can run most software via wine these days. in terms of native apps, open source developers have filled in a lot of gaps - the government of mexico runs on linux because they didn't want to cough up hundreds of thousands of dollars when there was a free equivalent.

i'm not trying to start some argument about OS superiority. i'm just saying that from my perspective, ubuntu is the most intuitive (easier to use than OSX IMO), most flexible and most secure OS i've seen. plus, with the money you save by not getting vista or OSX, you can buy a therminator
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 453
Registered: 07-2007
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i'm thinking somewhat abstracted from software: usability, flexibility, security.

So... If UBUNTU had 90% market Share do you really think that the above statement would still be true?

I doubt it.

Hackers and script kiddies are not hacking and scripting UBUNTU because nobody is really using it and if they expose its programming issues it is most likely not going to get them any national/global acclaim.

If UBUNTU had Microsofts market share and Microsoft had UBUNTUs market share you would probably be posting about how superior VISTA was from a somewhat abstracted from software: usability, flexibility, security point of view.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 454
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honestly though,

I think that all OS's are roughly the same. All have benefits and pitfalls.

we just need to put them in perspective

Nothing can screw up a fantastically programmed product more than a few hundred users...

Scale that up to Millions and BAM!!


(Message edited by skotrat on December 12, 2007)
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 455
Registered: 07-2007
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Hey...

I just talked to Jeff and he is proud to announce the newest OS release for ProMash:

Etcho-Mash
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 8183
Registered: 01-2002
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 03:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

On a slightly more serious note, Scott, do you know how the plans are going for a new ProMash release? I realize homebrewing is a hobby and Jeff Donovan has had family issues and a real living to earn. However, the last update to ProMash was in 2003, and there have been questions about a new version.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 456
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I have been poking him lately...

Maybe 2.0 is going to get going soon!

You should poke him too Bill
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1493
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's Jeff's latest about his family situation and its impact on Promash 2.0

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/promash/show_single_post?pid=21799580&po stcount=2
 

Chaz Lakip
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Registered: 03-2007
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You might be able to get Promash running on your Mac via WINE/Darwine... I run Linux (Ubuntu 7.04) and it runs fine under WINE.

Sicne there's some Ubuntu chatter... Ubuntu is great and you aren't really forced to be a geek to use it. The whole philosophy for Ubuntu is an easy to use version of Linux. For what the majority of people use computers for (Internet browsing, E-mail, Word Processing/Spreadsheets/Office Suite Stuff, listening/watch/download music, movies and podcasts, upload/edit pictures from digital cameras) it will do everything Windows will do for you, and it's free. Every 6 months it gets upgraded with new features, constantly improving it, and it's all free.

You can either download it and burn to a CD or they'll even MAIL you a copy for FREE. You can also pop it into your CD drive and boot it up without installing or erasing your computer's contents to take it for a test spin. If you do happen to run into problems their message board has over 450,000 registered members willing to help out. It's a great community and OS.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
 

Bob Boufford
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Username: Bobb

Post Number: 387
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With all the other challenges in Jeff D.'s life, maybe he should consider releasing ProMash into the open source community? From various forum discussions, there appears to be enough expertise to move the project along.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 457
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Bob,

For 2.0 Jeff was allowing the ability for you or I or any other developer to write modules

Unfortunately I think that he has bigger fish to fry at the moment.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 8185
Registered: 01-2002
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I think Jeff deserves all of our patience and hopes during this difficult time.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 504
Registered: 12-2005
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Unwritten Law of the Universe....

Dudes don't "poke" other dudes, Dude...

HA!
 

Joel Halpine
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Username: Jackhammer

Post Number: 56
Registered: 10-2007
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Paul,
I sent off an e-mail. That would be cool.

Skotrat, I tried that one (version ETcH 3000ex). I got excited, shook it a little, and lost a lot of data.
 

Skotrat
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I got excited, shook it a little

Beavis

uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh
 

Tim Copeland
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I asked a similar question on my club mailing list last week and I am currently looking into this.

http://www.strangebrew.ca/java/

I am thinking of setting up a dedicated linux PC in my brewery for recipes, music, and general farting about while I am waiting for wort to boil.

cheers
TC
 

Joel Halpine
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Skotrat

I refuse to use texting abbreviations. I did laugh out loud!
 

michael atkins
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I am absolutely computer illiterate so I cannot contribute to the Mac vs. other debate.
But just for the record, I tend to stay very loyal to the things that have served me well.

Pro Mash is one of those things, and I will keep on dealing with the inadequacies of my operating system and it's interface with PM until Jeff get through these difficult times.
 

Ben Hanson
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As an I.T. Professional and long time computer geek, user of various Unixes, Linuxes, Winders, and Macs, I can quite strongly say there is indeed a wealth of differences between consumer OS's and their functionality, without feeling it needs to be debated. It's easiest to bust on Windows, as it has the largest list of flaws out of the box, but given the right list of circumstances and proper chain of events, they can all be demonstrated to be flawed. Zealotry is rather flawed too! I use them all for their strengths, and use others to avoid their weaknesses.....

As for Promash, it runs great as mentioned under Wine with no geek knowledge needed - But then, it works very nicely with Windows too!! The DarWine Project for Macs hasn't been updated in over a year, so I'm not sure if that's a possibility.

Good luck!
Ben
 

Bill Tobler
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I've been using Promash on my Mac for years. I run Virtual PC and it runs Promash just fine. I've been a Mac user sense the very first one and just have never changed. I use PC's at work, and I have Promash on my flash card and can work on brewing stuff at work when I have time. Office is cross platform with PC's and Mac's, so I can do brewing related stuff for our brew club. My Mac is getting a little dated, and when I upgrade, I'm sure I'll get the dual processor with the Intel chip and install XP on the new Mac. I AM NOT A SNOB!!! I could care less what everyone else uses. I know what I like...