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Mike G.
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Username: Mikeg

Post Number: 234
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 64.68.169.121
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello, everyone.

I am planning to brew a light lager/pils, etc for summer mowing season.

I am thinking something like:

80% 2-row
20% minute rice or corn meal (edge to minute rice, since it doesn't need a cereal mash)

Mash at 150 for about 60-90 minutes

OG 1.040 - 1.043
1/2 ounce Cluster @ 60, about 15 IBUs
1/2 ounce Cluster @ 10 minutes

Yeast - 3 quart starter of Wy2278 (I have this ready and waiting for a brew)

Ferment at 50-52 degrees
Lager at 35-40 degrees, 6-8 weeks

I realize this is sort of like a Light/Standard American lager, hopefully a crowd-pleaser.

Thoughts? I am open to other ideas for a crisp, light lager for summer. (this yeast is just begging to be put to work)

Thanks in advance. Oh yeah, I do have a fair hop inventory for lagers: mt. hood, saaz (only an ounce), Liberty, NZ hallertau, magnum, horizon, etc.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 8465
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 216.145.100.105
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't dislike Clusters at all, and in fact I use them for bittering fairly often. However, I probably would opt for a different (more interesting to me) flavor/aroma hop. Mt. Hood or Liberty would be my choices from your list (I've never used NZ Hallertau). But it's your beer and there is absolutely nothing wrong with your recipe.
 

Jack Horzempa
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Username: Jack_horzempa

Post Number: 35
Registered: 02-2007
Posted From: 38.243.104.19
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike, I will basically ‘second’ what Bill stated. I utilize Cluster as my bittering hops for CAPs. I then utilize Hallertau type hops for flavor (and aroma). My favorite flavor/aroma hop for American Lagers (CAP) is Hallertau Mittelfrueh but for my last batch of CAP I couldn’t obtain these hops so I used Hallertau Hersbrucker instead. Mt Hood is an American ‘version’ of a Hallertau hop so it should be good as well.

I have heard it mentioned that Cluster hops can have a ‘catty’ flavor/aroma. I have never experienced this but then again I have only used Cluster as a bittering hop. Maybe the ‘catty’ aspect only shows itself if Cluster is used as a flavor/aroma hop? Anyhow, maybe this would be more reason to use something else for your flavor addition?
 

Tim Wi
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Username: Riverkeeper

Post Number: 973
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 170.141.68.2
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I like Spalt for the yaller beer crowd pleasers.

Tim
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 6619
Registered: 01-2001
Posted From: 63.114.138.2
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd recommend a lower mash temp for drinkability in the summer. Maybe 146ish.
 

Mike G.
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Username: Mikeg

Post Number: 236
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 64.68.174.53
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 04:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good thoughts everyone, thanks. I am considering the Cluster flavor addition, since I am looking for an american-type flavor profile-it is a bit of an experiment for me. (I am sure it will be too much flavor). I'll need to think about it some more.
 

danno
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Username: Danno

Post Number: 726
Registered: 03-2002
Posted From: 75.164.132.231
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 06:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I brew a Belgian Pils. Okay, maybe it's a light Tripel or something. All Pils malt with 2# of sugar in 10gal for a 1.060 beer and ferment with 3787 Trapist High Gravity yeast. Yummy, light, refreshing and still has some kick. Hop lightly.
 

Jack Horzempa
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Username: Jack_horzempa

Post Number: 36
Registered: 02-2007
Posted From: 38.243.104.19
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike, if you run your 'experiment' could you please report back. I am curious how the Cluster flavor addition works out.

From a Northern Brewer catalog: "Cluster: Sharp, "catty" American hop ..."
 

Geoff Buschur
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Username: Avmech

Post Number: 1546
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 65.170.41.5
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have a great lager on tap right now.

100% American 2-row
100% Cluster (I'll have to check my notes later for quantity and times)
WLP830

I do not find cluster to be sharp or catty. I find it slightly citrusy and refreshing.

Also on tap I have a CAP bittered with Liberty, flavored with Mt. Hood/Styrian and Liberty for aroma. And next to that I have a 100% Hallertau pilsner so I have some good beers to compare the cluster pilsner to.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5282
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.118.227.254
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another vote for 100% Clusters. I have used them for flavoring additions, and found them to be delicious. They have a sort of elderberry flavor, IMO.

Skotrat brewed an Oatzen last year that was all-Clusters, and that beer was fantastic!
 

Paul Erbe
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Username: Perbe

Post Number: 1016
Registered: 05-2001
Posted From: 64.233.251.195
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would consider some 6 row in a all clusters beer.
 

Geoff Buschur
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Username: Avmech

Post Number: 1547
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 66.141.186.196
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 03:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is the recipe for the all Cluster beer I am drinking right now:

Batch Size (Gal): 12.00 Wort Size (Gal): 12.00
Anticipated IBU: 35.3
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

34.1 7.50 lbs. Pilsener Malt(2-Row) Continental Eu 1.035 1
65.9 14.50 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) Great Britain 1.038 3

1.50 oz. Cluster Pellet 5.80 10.8 First WH
2.00 oz. Cluster Pellet 5.80 20.7 60 min.
1.00 oz. Cluster Pellet 5.80 3.8 10 min.
1.50 oz. Cluster Whole 7.00 0.0 0 min.
 

Mike G.
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Username: Mikeg

Post Number: 237
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 64.68.169.121
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey, thanks everyone.

I do believe I will brew a cluster-only beer, based on the collective's experience. I will post in about 2-3 months with an update.
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 115
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 12.165.82.136
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If it turns out bad, you can call it Clusterf*ck Lager.
 

Robert
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Username: Okierat

Post Number: 153
Registered: 05-2003
Posted From: 32.97.110.142
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you Kevin for making my day. That has to be the funniest thing I have seen in a while!!!