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Jerry Hays
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Username: Jlh8643

Post Number: 74
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 216.176.157.78
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm debating on which to choose from. Either a sankey 1/2 Bbl or getting a cooler. I'm kinda leaning towards the cooler due to the fact that it will maintain mash temps much easier. I have a 1/2 Bbl already for this if I go that route. If I do choose the cooler route what would be the optimal size for the 10-12 gallon batch size you would go? 96 or 128? Thanks for the input
 

Tim Copeland
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Username: Hammer

Post Number: 214
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 65.92.8.46
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 10:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If I was to do it again I would go the Cooler Route. A Sankey is ok but insulating it and emptying it is a PITA.
My setup is a 2 tier Rims (I rarely use the Rims feature as I just do single infusions)
I would go with the biggest one and get one with wheels to make emptying it easier
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 157
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 12.165.82.136
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Both those sizes seem too big. I assume you are talking 96 or 128 quarts, i.e. 24 or 32 gallons. This is compared to the 15.5 gallon 1/2 barrel you are considering. I don't even know if you will get a deep enough grain bed in the 128. A 60 or 80 quart would be better for 10-12 gallon batch sizes in my opinion.
 

Connie
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Username: Connie

Post Number: 1161
Registered: 10-2000
Posted From: 76.17.52.96
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The round ten gallon Gott has served me well for ten gallon batches. I don't do the high gravity beers.
 

Brewzz
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Username: Brewzz

Post Number: 434
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 70.112.116.217
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And you can use a false bottom in a round cooler,which is what I prefer....
Cheers,Brewzz
 

dhacker
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Username: Dhacker

Post Number: 1365
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 65.4.229.154
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jerry,

I use a 60 quart rectangular Gott for 11 gallon batches. It is good for all but the very biggest gravity brews. if you feel the need to go bigger, the 96 is more than enough for 12 gallon monster beers and the 128 is monumental overkill!
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5388
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.55.202
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A ten gallon cooler should be able to mash enough grain for ten gallons of 1.060+ gravity brew.
 

Alex Stephens
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Username: Dirty_monkey

Post Number: 6
Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 75.128.7.74
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 01:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"and the 128 is monumental overkill!"

Whew, good thing I only have the 120... >.>

Ya, the other thread about manifold design brought up this thought, and I redid my math, and 120 is far too big to get good grain depth, unless I go up to 18 gallon batches. I mean, this is the old cooler I used to use, and it certainly made beer, but I'm starting to consider other options. Maybe I can make a fitted insert that would effectively reduce the inner volume for the less than monster beers.

Either way, I'd agree, the 96 should be more than enough. Here's an article I came across about selecting an appropriate cooler, scroll down to 'Choosing your cooler'.


http://brewingtechniques.com/library/backissues/issue5.4/palmer.html
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 159
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 67.167.4.225
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 05:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This past weekend I just brewed a 10 gallon batch of a maibock, mashing it in a 40 quart rectangular cooler. OG was 1.074. I crammed 27 lbs of grain in at about 1 qt of mash water per lb of grain. I did a batch sparge, and drew off 11 gallons of wort which had a preboil gravity of 1.067. I boiled this down to 10 gallons. My efficiency was better than expected, I was shooting for a 1.072. This is probably the upper limit of my system unless I fly sparge or go for really long boils, but if I do the latter then of course I would end up with less than 10 gallons.

Too make a long story less long, if I were buying a new cooler to improve my system for 10-12 gallons, I would buy a 60 quart. Enough room to make a huge 10 gallon barley wine, but small enough to get a decent grain depth for 12 gallons of a lower gravity beer.
 

davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1804
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The 70 quart Coleman Extreme is exactly what you are looking for.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1850
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 24.123.94.154
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would recommend at least a 60 qt as well. I have the Igloo Max Cold 50 and it's pretty well maxed out when I try to stir a 10 gal batch of anything around 1060 or higher.

(Message edited by mikhu on March 07, 2008)
 

Tim Copeland
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Username: Hammer

Post Number: 215
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 65.92.8.46
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why do you guys think that 128 is too big?
Don't some of you mash in 55 gallon drums?
is it a Geometry thing?
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5391
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.55.202
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have an Igloo Keg Kooler. It is round, insulated and designed to hold a half barrel. At 26 gallons, it can mash 62 pounds. Also, it can exactly hold three Pepsi cornie kegs. They come with a lid and a four wheel dolly. I paid something like $85 for mine about four years ago.

(Message edited by listermann on March 07, 2008)
 

Cory K.
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Username: Galaxy51

Post Number: 167
Registered: 04-2006
Posted From: 168.103.130.30
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I really like my sanke. I like the ability to use direct heat. I have brewed many 12 gallon batches and have never had the need for a larger capacity. In fact I am building a new system and the mashtun is going to be the shorter 13 gallon sanke.
I also like the ease of use. Strike water temp for an infusion mash equals target mash temp minus 10 degrees when milled grain temp is about room temp (72 degrees)
Normally for a mash of an hour or slightly more I just wrap the mashtun with an old sleeping bag 10 minutes after mash in and put the glass lid on it. If I want an exceptionally stable mash temp I can fire up the burner for about 1 minute every 30 minutes to restore lost btu. Step, infusion, decoction, and double mashes are all easier due to the mashtuns ability to be heated to correct temp errors.
 

Steve Jones
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Username: Stevej

Post Number: 459
Registered: 08-2001
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Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ditto what Cory says, except that I think he means "Strike water temp equals target temp PLUS 10 degrees". (since my grain is stored at 40F I use 13 instead of 10).

If I want to do a really big beer, I either do 6 gallons or I sparge into two kettles and boil it down.
 

Tim Copeland
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Username: Hammer

Post Number: 216
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 65.92.8.46
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan
Do you have a link for this cooler?
Thanks
TC
 

Jerry Hays
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Username: Jlh8643

Post Number: 75
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 216.176.139.145
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Those of you who went the rectangle cooler route: What is the procedure in taking out the old drain and installing a pvc manifold? Should I buy a cooler bulkhead kit? I've got NB's new catalog here in front of me. It says in the fine print that their cooler kit fits 10gal rubbermaid coolers. Will this work also for the rectangle coolers?
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5392
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 65.29.223.32
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://sarasota.craigslist.org/grd/556317142.html

Good price! It does not show the lid.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5394
Registered: 03-2004
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http://www.igloo-store.com/product_detail.asp?T1=IGL+1953060&HDR=Product%20Searc h

Here is the lid. I can't find the cooler itself yet.
 

Alex Stephens
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Username: Dirty_monkey

Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 24.176.172.223
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jerry- To replace the drain in mine, I just went down to the hardware store. Ended up finding a bulkhead connector in the washing maching area, had 1/2" female threads on both sides, ran about 7 bucks. One thing I forgot to measure though, was the wall thickness of the cooler. It was too short to use any sort of washers (which I didn't notice until *after* I widened the hole in the cooler), so I just siliconed it up and wrenched it down. Works great.

A dremel made quick work of widening the hole to what I needed.
 

Connie
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Username: Connie

Post Number: 1162
Registered: 10-2000
Posted From: 76.17.52.96
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.ingermann.com/gott.html

http://www.ingermann.com/mashcube.html

(Message edited by connie on March 07, 2008)
 

Cory K.
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Username: Galaxy51

Post Number: 169
Registered: 04-2006
Posted From: 168.103.130.30
Posted on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Steve, Thanks for the correcting my post!
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1851
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 69.21.247.113
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jerry, this is what I did, just as Denny describes here. Although once I added a pump I changed out the vinyl tubing for some flexible copper, because the QD hoses were too heavy for the vinyl to handle.

http://hbd.org/cascade/dennybrew/
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 6686
Registered: 01-2001
Posted From: 140.211.82.4
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I do what Denny did....
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 580
Registered: 07-2007
Posted From: 75.67.98.168
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Where has that PacMan Been?