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Laird MacGregor
New Member
Username: Beervicar06
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 24.255.128.96
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New member and poster here, as well as a neophyte homebrewer. My first batch of beer, a Pale Ale, recently came of age, and I have been sampling, with some friends, the first fruits of my labor. Unfortunately, both times I've indulged, I've been overcome by lower-intestinal distress which seems a lot like gas but much more intense. It's not to the point of actually getting sick (get the picture?), just ... well ... the bends. No one else who's sampled the beer has experienced this. And I drink a wide variety of craft beers without any such problem. Any ideas? Thanks. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 1461
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 139.76.224.66
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 01:59 am: |
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First of all welcome to the board. Second, I think you need to see your doctor and have those symptoms looked into. It may be as simple as indigestion cramps, but you never know. |
Laird MacGregor
New Member
Username: Beervicar06
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 24.255.128.96
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 02:13 am: |
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Thanks, I might do that. Weird thing is, nothing else seems to be giving me any trouble. And a couple hours after drinking the beer, the storm has pretty much passed, as it did the first time this happened. |
dhacker
Senior Member
Username: Dhacker
Post Number: 1388
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 65.4.194.206
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 02:22 am: |
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This is excellent!
Welcome aboard Laird.
I always make a point of looking at the profile of a new poster . .
We have a beer making priest with gastrointestinal-something! 
I work with people who have made an art out of gastrointestinal-everything. 
I'm not certain there are any MDs on the board, and it could be so many different things that perhaps a more detailed symptom description might be helpful . . .
Is it genuine gastrointestinal-fleb-o-exodus, or merely a waft of Chanel no. 2? |
Laird MacGregor
New Member
Username: Beervicar06
Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 24.255.128.96
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 02:32 am: |
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Ha! Well, if we must get technical ... it seems more along the lines of the latter. A gradual buildup to some serious discomfort, then over time and after a few "windstorms," it goes away. No solids involved. Just wondering if improper/insufficient fermentation or something of that nature could do this kind of damage. Would hate to think of going on the homebrewers' disabled list, especially permanently! |
Tim Copeland
Member
Username: Hammer
Post Number: 222
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 70.48.72.33
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 02:39 am: |
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I have a friend who refuses to drink my homebrew because he suffers the same thing. I personally think he is sensitive to yeast, but I am no doctor ( I had to look up "Neophyte"  )
Welcome and Slainte Mhath! |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 1462
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 139.76.224.66
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 02:53 am: |
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Hey Laird! My Mom grew up in Little River! (actually on a farm nearby) My cousin owned the grocery store there until just recently, and his Mom (my aunt) used to own the LyKan hotel in Lyons. |
dhacker
Senior Member
Username: Dhacker
Post Number: 1389
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 65.4.194.206
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 03:04 am: |
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Sometimes combinations of foods, (or lack of food) goes a long way in "manufacturing" methane. I think you will need to do more research and keep either a mental or written log of what you ate and when before consuming the brew.
(a box o' kitchen matches might have some merit too) |
Hophead
Senior Member
Username: Hophead
Post Number: 2748
Registered: 03-2002
Posted From: 90.80.39.41
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 03:10 am: |
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Again, don't take anyone's medical opinion as fact, but if you want opinions, that's another story!
I'll go with......yeast. A lot more live yeast present in homebrew.
Let us know whatcha figure out.
Prost! |
Tom Meier
Advanced Member
Username: Brewdawg96
Post Number: 777
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 75.137.121.197
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 03:20 am: |
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You need to store the beer at cold temps for at least a week to let the bottle drop clear.
Then pour carefully off the yeast sediment. Do not drink beer that is still cloudy with yeast.
Alot of people/brewers have this problem, some to a greater extent than others. It is caused by ingesting too much live yeast. I don't think there are any health risks, just some extra vitamin B's. Its no different than eating live yogurt or other cultures. |
Graham Cox
Senior Member
Username: T2driver
Post Number: 1591
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 68.32.253.156
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 03:44 am: |
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Welcome, Father!
I am a former Navy pilot and we had a no-kidding Irish Catholic priest, Father Finley, who was the best chaplain I ever saw in all my years in the service. He would come by the squadron and just poke his head in all the spaces and just smile and say "hello," with the unspoken message, "Hey, I'm here if you need to talk about anything." (This is, in fact brewing-related - read on.) He would attend all the squadron functions and would bless the keg before it was tapped! He was awesome.
Regarding your gastric issues, you have entered a new phase of your existence on this planet by introducing copious quantities of live yeast into your gut. (I have several hundred Saccharomyces strains in mine.) I have found that the most potentially explosive fuels are the usual suspects: Lactose of any description, nuts (to include peanut butter), and beans. Starches in general are also suspect, but not like the above.
Your gut will adapt, but in the meantime, you might try some Beano. As Tom said, avoid deliberately OD'ing on fresh yeast, but the damage is done - you have a permanent colony of eager Saccharomyces sp. residing inside you now at a temperature at which they perform at their maximum metabolism, (Coincidence? I think not) and they ain't leavin', no matter what you do. |
brett matthews
Member
Username: Brettj
Post Number: 239
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 124.150.125.120
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 08:45 am: |
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Welcome aboard. Probably the best thing you could do if you are serious about making great beer. No matter how stupid you think your question may be these guys will treat it with respect and try to point you in the right direction |
Hallertauer
Advanced Member
Username: Hallertauer
Post Number: 523
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 204.104.55.244
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 11:27 am: |
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Oh and Laird? Could you please answer the guy that wants to know if he's going straight to hell for brewing on Easter Sunday?
Greetings from another Irish Catholic. |
jeff wright
Member
Username: Barly
Post Number: 210
Registered: 07-2003
Posted From: 24.131.110.190
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 12:52 pm: |
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Laird,
Welcome aboard from the Presbyterian side of the isle or in this case pew. I just couldn't pass it up. hehehehe
Some of the most knowledgable brewers are found on this site.
From my experience they are all more than willing to share their great store of information on brewing.
Brew on, and God bless,
jeff |
Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 8658
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 209.26.148.9
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 12:54 pm: |
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Laird, it's a pleasure to see you here. If you can put up with this collection of sinners, we'd be honored to have you among us.
What you experienced may be a one time occurrence caused by a combination of factors (beer in conjunction with other things you consumed). Or as has been suggested, you may be one of those with an allergy to live yeast. For example, do you have a similar reaction to yogurt or certain cheeses? If so, the recommendation to let the beer clear and not to consume the yeast sediment may be sufficient, and then again not. I think further "research" is in order. As long as the "gastric storm" isn't too severe I suspect the consequences won't be a major problem. |
Laird MacGregor
New Member
Username: Beervicar06
Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 24.255.128.96
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 01:19 pm: |
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Thanks for all the helpful responses and the warm welcome. And just to clear things up, I'm a priest in the Episcopal Church but very ecumenical, especially when it comes to hoisting an ale or two. As for the question about brewing beer on Easter Sunday (or any Sunday, as we treat each as a little Easter), I refer you to Exodus 12:16: "On the first day you shall hold a solemn assembly, and on the seventh day a solemn assembly; no work shall be done on those days; only what everyone must eat, that alone may be prepared by you." And since in many locales beer is still not sold on Sundays ... |
Kevin Kowalczyk
Member
Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer
Post Number: 165
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 12.165.82.136
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 03:47 pm: |
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Also, it's not work, it's a hobby. |
Doug Pescatore
Senior Member
Username: Doug_p
Post Number: 2167
Registered: 10-2002
Posted From: 141.232.1.1
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 04:08 pm: |
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Laird,
There are two ways to get gas. One is to swallow the gas and the other is to create it. Is it possible that you swallow too much air while drinking your homebrew vs. other beverages? Probably not but it is worth asking.
Another thought was, how much bread and other such complex carbs do you eat? My dad takes beano when every he eats to reduce the complex carbs to something easier for his system to digest. Another thought is maybe you have a slight intolerance to glutens and your beer may have more than the other craft brews beers. I have a slight intolerance to glutens so the more breads and such I cut out of my diet the more my digestive system behaves, but beer and home brew have never been a problem.
Just shootin from the hip here.
-Doug |
David Lewinnek
Intermediate Member
Username: Davelew
Post Number: 447
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 198.51.251.205
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 06:11 pm: |
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C'mon guys. Isn't it obvious that Laird had incomplete conversion of the starches in his steeped grains, and the amylase enzyme in his saliva split up the remaining starches into simple sugars for the yeast to ferment, resulting in bubbles from his posterior airlock? |
Mike G.
Member
Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 249
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 64.68.169.121
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 06:21 pm: |
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Atlanta = Kansas?
Dorothy, Toto? |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 1463
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 139.76.224.66
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Mike G.,
I said my Mother was from Kansas, not me. And I am not from Atlanta, I just live here. 
The Wal-Mart in McPherson put my cousin out of business. He was ready to retire anyway, but the Wal-Mart forced him out early. |
Mike G.
Member
Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 250
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 64.68.169.121
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 07:56 pm: |
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No offense intended, Bob.
I just thought the thread looked like a troll from the beginning, that's all.
(IP 24.255.128.96 = Atlanta) |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 1464
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 139.76.224.66
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 08:17 pm: |
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hmm, tis odd indeed. Laird? |
dhacker
Senior Member
Username: Dhacker
Post Number: 1390
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 72.4.22.214
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 08:34 pm: |
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Depending on which search you use, I got this response . .
IP Address Country (Short) Country (Full) Flag Region City ISP Map
24.255.128.96 US UNITED STATES KANSAS WICHITA COX COMMUNICATIONS
These results produced by the
IP2Location™ IP-COUNTRY-REGION-CITY-LATITUDE-LONGITUDE-ISP [DB6] January 2008 Edition Database |
Chumley
Senior Member
Username: Chumley
Post Number: 5355
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.118.227.254
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 09:08 pm: |
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You guys really need to quit looking at every poster as a troll, and get a life.
Welcome to the B&V, Laird. Too bad you didn't join in 5 years ago....we were a little more fun loving back then.
As far as your symptoms go, I have one question: did you use Galena hops in that pale ale? |
dhacker
Senior Member
Username: Dhacker
Post Number: 1391
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 72.4.22.214
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 09:18 pm: |
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I agree with that, Chumley . .
Why the suspicion on a good ol', fun lovin' flatchulate post? If farts can't be funny, then we indeed are to be pitied.  |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 1465
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 139.76.224.66
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 09:22 pm: |
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Gee Chumley, why would we possibly think that about anyone?
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Mike
Intermediate Member
Username: Macker
Post Number: 477
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 151.151.73.166
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 09:27 pm: |
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Cut Chumley a break....it is a hard life for him, each day realizing he is the second best brewer in Montana......
He is also envious of my mastery of the use of Galena hops. That, and he lives in fear of getting his a$$ kicked by old, myopic, diabetic, dms tolerant merchants..... |
ChriSto
Intermediate Member
Username: Christo
Post Number: 341
Registered: 02-2006
Posted From: 216.176.226.154
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 09:39 pm: |
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Hey Laird.
I'll be out your way for my great uncle's 100th birthday in May (sorry Bob - I won't be at the BMO now as I just found this out). My cousins are music professors at Central Christian College.
The Land of Ahs. |
Mike G.
Intermediate Member
Username: Mikeg
Post Number: 251
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 64.68.172.67
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 11:09 pm: |
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Laird,
I apologize for my rash judgement.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix your problem. My only thought would be yeast. |
Laird MacGregor
New Member
Username: Beervicar06
Post Number: 5
Registered: 03-2008
Posted From: 24.255.128.96
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 12:20 am: |
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My IP address is out of Atlanta, huh? Yeah, I'm guessing it's the Cox Cable thing, as that is my provider. I live a few blocks north of the aforementioned Central Christian College and, as anyone such as myself who was born and raised in Kansas will attest, this is not the sort of place you say you're from unless you truly are. Not to say I'm not proud to be a native Kansan ... anyway, I appreciate healthy skepticism of just about anything, so no harm done at all.
The pale ale was made completely from an extract, and the label, which I saved, does not indicate the variety of the hops within. I'm going with the yeast intolerance, and will soldier on with Gas-X until my digestive tract adjusts. I'm also thinking I'll clarify/condition my next batch in a carboy to try to cut down on the amount of residue in the finished, bottled product. But again, thanks for all the input and blessings to all. |
Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 8662
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 209.26.148.9
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 02:22 am: |
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I just realized my great grandparents are buried in McPherson, KS. I believe I've only been there once. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 1467
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 139.76.224.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 02:57 am: |
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wow...small planet. it's odd how many people on this board have connections to that area. |
Skotrat
Advanced Member
Username: Skotrat
Post Number: 636
Registered: 07-2007
Posted From: 75.67.98.168
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 03:56 pm: |
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I once spent 17 weeks in Kansas City...
It was the longest 5 years of my life... |
Vance Barnes
Senior Member
Username: Vancebarnes
Post Number: 3118
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 74.7.7.66
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 08:51 pm: |
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But KC is not in Kansas. It's in Missouri.
Just a likle geography trivia. |
Skotrat
Advanced Member
Username: Skotrat
Post Number: 638
Registered: 07-2007
Posted From: 75.67.98.168
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 08:53 pm: |
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ahhhh Vance...
There is one in Kansas...
And one in Misery... |
Skotrat
Advanced Member
Username: Skotrat
Post Number: 639
Registered: 07-2007
Posted From: 75.67.98.168
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 08:55 pm: |
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Kansas City is the largest city in the state of Missouri. It encompasses 318 square miles (820 km˛) in parts of Jackson, Clay, Cass, and Platte counties. The city also serves as the anchor city of the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, second largest in Missouri and largest with territory in Kansas, though Wichita is the largest metro anchored in Kansas. As of 2006, the city had an estimated population of 447,306,[6] with a metro area of nearly two million.[7] Kansas City was founded in 1838 as the "Town of Kansas"[8] at the confluence of the Missouri and Kansas rivers and was incorporated in its present form in 1850. Situated opposite Kansas City, Kansas, the city was the location of several battles during the Civil War, including the Battle of Westport. The city is well known for its contributions to the musical styles of jazz and blues as well as to cuisine (Kansas City-style barbecue).
Kansas City is the third largest city in the U.S. state of Kansas and is the county seat of Wyandotte County. It is a satellite city of Kansas City, Missouri and is the third largest city in the Kansas City Metropolitan Area. The city is part of the "Unified Government"[6] which also includes the cities of Bonner Springs and Edwardsville. As of the 2000 census, the city population was 146,867. The city is situated at Kaw Point, which is the junction of the Missouri and Kansas rivers. |
Mike
Intermediate Member
Username: Macker
Post Number: 479
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 151.151.21.103
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All I know is that I can pee in the Missouri River here in Montana, and eventually it will end up in Kansas City....I guess which shoreline, Kansas or Missouri, depends on prevailing winds on any give day..... |
Cory K.
Member
Username: Galaxy51
Post Number: 195
Registered: 04-2006
Posted From: 168.103.130.30
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 01:00 am: |
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Laird, Welcome to our forum. I cannot diagnose your problem but I can tell you about an experience that I had some time ago.
I had some bulk brewers yeast that was sold as a dietary supplement that was forgotten in the back of a cuppboard. I also bake bread and had some bulk live dried bakers yeast also forgotten and in the same cupboard. I was cleaning out the cupboard and came across the live yeast and mistook it for the dietary supplemental type. One heaping tablespoon of the live stuff swished down with a few gulps of water has the potential to produce an amazingly huge volume of gas! No other harm was done. |
Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 8663
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 24.57.225.170
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 01:37 am: |
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I've spent a little time in both KC, Mo, and KC, Kan, as they say. I've had some pretty good beer there, too, not to mention the barbecue. |
Rob Farrell
Intermediate Member
Username: Robf
Post Number: 483
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.241.158.33
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 06:58 pm: |
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I had a coworker once who had problems with yeast digestion. He pretty much stayed away from beer, although he said he could drink a few cans of swill without a problem. Laird, if it does turn out to be the yeast, invest in a filter and keep brewing.
And I don't understand my fellow Irish Catholics here. I knew from your name you were not from our side of the aisle (or isle.) Slainte! |
Vance Barnes
Senior Member
Username: Vancebarnes
Post Number: 3122
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 74.7.7.66
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Not much but train tracks and warehouses in KC, Kan from what I remember. The "city" is definately MO.
To make this beer related, a friend from KS brought me back a growler from Free State Brewing in Lawrence a while back that was very nice. |
Mike
Intermediate Member
Username: Macker
Post Number: 480
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 151.151.21.105
| | Posted on Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 08:30 pm: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Kansas
Looks to me like it is more than train tracks and warehouses |
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