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Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5615
Registered: 03-2004
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Robert
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Hmmmm, don't see were it says Porter Dan .

When will we be seeing Listerbrew in OK?
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5617
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About OK, I would not hold my breath. It could take a while. Nothing personal, right?
 

Graham Cox
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Post Number: 1700
Registered: 11-2004
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Woo hoo!!! It seems a tough time to start down that road with commodity and energy prices being sharply higher, but hey, if you wait for the perfect opportunities in life, you'll never get anything done.

Congratulations, Dan, and best of luck! I look forward to trying your wares.

P.S. Keep the pigeons away from the equipment.
 

Beertracker
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Post Number: 1192
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Congrats Dan! How funny that it states Stout, as if that wasn't already covered by beer or ale. You gotta love those state bev laws. Don't bother sending anything, but malt liquor here!

 

Connie
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Congratulations, Dan, and best of luck!
I think that's something you can brag about.
I wonder if anyone else on the board has one
 

Tom E
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Post Number: 110
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Congrats, Dan. Maybe you will some day be purchased by InBev!
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5618
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Posted From: 74.215.70.152
Posted on Thursday, June 05, 2008 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks guys. As a gimmic beer, a lot of places are making Imeperial Stouts and IPAs. Considering the current hop shortage, I am working on a Double Imperial Malt Liquor - the quicker malt liquor! I intend to bump up against the state beer max of 12% by volume.

(Message edited by listermann on June 05, 2008)
 

Chumley
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Post Number: 5453
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No cicada in the State of Ohio is safe now!
 

Bill Pierce
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More power to you, Dan!
 

Jason Bentley
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Am I reading that license correctly in that it's only good for 4 months?

Edited because I forgot to say Congratulations Dan.

(Message edited by pacoustic on June 05, 2008)
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5619
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Yea, Jason, I got'ta ask about that.
 

Vance Barnes
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Congrats! Just in time to supply the convention
 

michael atkins
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Congratulations Dan! And best of luck
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5620
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It is too late for the convention. That was my goal.

Actually I thought that I could have it back in September when I would not have to worry so much about temperature. Now I need to work out a cooling system earlier than I expected.
 

Mike G.
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Post Number: 280
Registered: 04-2005
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Good for you, Dan!

I hope it works out.
 

Bob G.
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Best of luck Dan. I remember with my Shark's Tooth Beer Company back in the day, that the distribution end was always a tough nut to crack. Can you self distribute in Ohio?
 

Jim DeShields
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Pretty soon you'll be to big to ship me my stuff





Congratulations
 

Bob Wall
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Post Number: 1560
Registered: 11-2004
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Congrats Dan, How many barrels are you planning per batch? are you going to bottle?
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5621
Registered: 03-2004
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Initially I am going to just distribute through my store to my traffic. They will understand bottle conditioned beer and not blink at it. I figure that 22 oz bottles give me my best bang. If I find that we have excess capacity, we will try to sell a keg or two.

The brewery is an Elliot Bay 2 barrel system.
 

dhacker
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Post Number: 1457
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Very cool . . a pic or two of the Elliot Bay system in action would be apropos as well!
 

Bob Wall
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Post Number: 1562
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Dan,

I googled Elliot Bay and only come up with the two brewpubs. Did you buy it used from them? Or are they manufacturing them...just curious
 

John Ferens
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Nice Dan! Success to you as I drink a home brew!

John.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5623
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Saturday, June 07, 2008 - 02:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob, they are apparently still in business. Check out:
http://www.elliottbaymetal.com/html/products_13.htm

I bought the equipment from a defunct bar in Port Clinton, OH. It is not much but it is enough to get things under way.

Monday I am going to start checking out Clydesdales! :-)
 

Bill Pierce
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Dan can correct me, as I'm basing this on rather hazy memory, but I believe Elliot Bay manufactured both a 2 bbl. and a 5 bbl. system back in the 1990s. I believe they went out of business around 2001.

The 2 bbl. system would have been the envy of the late BWTW in terms of homebrewing: all stainless and very well built.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5624
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Mine is a two barrel.

It seems that they are still in business in some form or another.
 

Tony Legge
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Congrats Dan. Wish you success.
 

Rob Farrell
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Congratulations, Dan. I wish you the best in your new venture with my 500th post!

Will you still be able to discuss beer here without being accused of, you know...
 

PaulK
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Free beer for B&V members! Woohoo!

Congrats and good luck Dan.
 

dhacker
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Forget the Clydesdales, Dan.

Small batches require less pony power.

 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5625
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A very good question, Rob. I guess we will just have to see.

Congrats yourself on your 500th!

As for Clyesdales, Herb Haydock, the guy who collected all the stuff for the Oldenburg Museum, talked about the 4th of July parade in Milwaukee where all the breweries would show off their hitches. One brewery's hitch was dachshunds. He said that it really pissed off the other breweries because every year, the dogs made the front page.

It might be difficult to get much traction out of pigeons. . . unless you had a whole lot of them . . . .
 

Graham Cox
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Post Number: 1708
Registered: 11-2004
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Dan, have you considered a jackass? You could name it after some of your pals here.
 

Skotrat
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yes...

Name them Graham Cox and make sure that they are Geldings...

Good Luck with the brewery Dan
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5630
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Actually I am thinking of using the birds in parades. Military pigeons were kept in mobile lofts. There are a lot of stories about moving the lofts while the birds were out. It is supposed to quite a sight with them flying around as the loft rolls along.

The wife is bulking at me building a third loft for two-way flying (to and from the shop.) It may be a while before I can build a mobile loft.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5633
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Combine the two-way and mobile lofts . . . . Only one fight!
 

Sand
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So Dan, how many 22oz beers will it take to get past break even? I hold a c2, c2x, and a d6 in Ohio. I just paid mine, man that sucks.
 

Dan Listermann
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I expect to net about $400 per batch of 372 bottles not counting my brewing time, which for the moment at least is entertainment, and overhead which is covered by the store at this time. So somewhere around ten batches or not quite 4000 bottles just about 6.5 cases per week.

If I sell it out my own door, I get the retail markup too!
 

Pat Babcock
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Congrats, Dan!
Pat Babcock
HBD Chief of Janitorial Services
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 5636
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Thanks for the banner work, Pat. It was a surprise!

I am working on getting one about the brewery.
 

Bill Pierce
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That's a good point, Dan. The local microbrewery (four blocks from my house) currently has a strong old ale they sell only at the brewery. The owner told me he would lose money selling it through the provincial liquor monopoly (both wholesale and retail). He gets around this situation by taking advantage of the provision for allowing direct retail sales at the brewery.
 

Eric Burnley
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Very exciting, congrats! Look forward to reading more developments.
 

Chumley
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So, how are you going to chill the wort for that two barrel system?
 

Dan Listermann
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I'll bite.

Air cooling jacketed fermenters is out of the question.

Today I am going to buy a household freezer that should hold at least two, maybe three, 15 gallon plastic barrels. Filled with RV antifreeze and cooled to about 10F, this should be more than enough to operate a secondary counterflow chiller. The brewery came with pumps and the fermenters have thermostats. The plumbing should be fairly straight foward. I will have to get some shut off disconnects.
 

Michael
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Excellent....some others who have posted will, obviously, live their dreams through you because they lack the will and b*lls to do nothing more than criticize! To be a misunderstood genius seems to be a passion (is there a certification, tattoo, or official conference?) for many....live your dreams, and good luck.

Question--- with the license, are you obligated to bottle, or can you also sell in a keg, etc?
 

Dan Listermann
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I can do either. I will mainly bottle condition in 22oz bombers. If I have excess capacity, I will keg and try to sell at bars.

I hope to start my first batch Monday - a mild ale.
 

PalerThanAle
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Is this one of the signs of the apocalypse?

:-)

PTA
 

Bob D
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Congrats, Dan. Good luck with the brewing. Do you have your beer names picked out already? Pigeon Pale, etc.
 

Dan Listermann
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The mild will be "Wild Mild." It is oxymornic while still rhyming.

Cincinnati is home to Cream Ale, Germans and was once called "Porkopolis." I think that "Fliegenschwein Cream Ale" would be fun.

I feel that physicists are underserved from a beer perspective. "168,000 MPS" Imperial Malt Liquor seems a natural.

When I develop a Double Imperial Malt Liquor It will be called "C Squared." It will be "the quicker malt liquor."
 

Rob Westendorf
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If you get "The Quicker Malt Liquor" past TTB, I'll be stunned. Are you going to use any "Phil's" names? Philsner, maybe?
 

Dan Listermann
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"The Quicker Malt Liquor" won't fly on a label.

"Phil's" might be tied up by Barley Boys Brewery.

I do like "Philsner" though.

I think that Phil would just as well we not use his name anymore.
 

marc pullum
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Dan : The Barley boys guys are still around in omaha. i bet i can ask for permission to use "Phil's " in this case. They are definitly out of the business but pretty nice guys. Philsner just has to be done
 

Bill Pierce
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Dan, I've occasionally wondered how Phil must feel about you naming your products for him. I think of a friend whose father started a business and incorporated his name into it shortly after he was born. The expectation that he would follow his father into the business haunted him through childhood and beyond. Eventually he did exactly that, but I'm not sure he's been entirely happy about his choice and especially the name.
 

Dan Listermann
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Phil does not talk to his friends about the name. He was just 12 when we went into business. He erects and repairs cell phone towers for a living now and has never expressed any interest in this business. It is fun when he shows up to borrow something and I introduce him to customers. He does seem to like that.
 

Dan Listermann
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Boiling batch number 1 as I type!
 

Paul Erbe
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This is a draft team for a 2bbl brewery

dogs
 

Dirk Beer
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Dan, you may want to consider "Fliegendes Schwein" instead of "Fliegenschwein". The latter is fly- (as in the insect) pig, which doesn't sound all that appetizing :-)
Dirk
 

Dan Listermann
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"Fliegendes Schwein" doesn't roll of the tongue as well as "Fliegenschwein," if that sort of thing is possible in German. And if it is discovered as being about flys, so much the funnier!

I am atteding a TTB conference to learn about dealing with the Federal guys about beer. Standing in line to get my stuff at registration, the guy next to me tells the attendent that his name is Jim Listerman. (note the single 'n') He is a label printer from MI who is trying to break into the wine and beer market. He seems to come from a totally different line as my family. It will be cool to find the connection. The wife loves the challenge!

(Message edited by listermann on June 18, 2008)
 

Bill Pierce
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Dan, once you have the license (the hard part), the TTB (and most state) regulations for brewpubs are relatively simple, enough that you can read about them in 15 minutes. The important thing is to make the filings on time, along with the tax payments.

I'm guessing (I don't have any experience with this) that the rules are more complicated for microbreweries because the feds require prior approval of beer names and labels. We wouldn't want a beer named "Drunken Monk" or a label that showed too much skin.

(Message edited by BillPierce on June 18, 2008)
 

Graham Cox
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Certainly not in Utah, Bill!

The Squatter's "Provo Girl" on the Provo Girl Pilsner label is one of my all-time favorites. The beer is tasty in its own right, but she... *sigh*

http://www.beerlabels.com/labels/labels.pl/3406/squatters-provo-girl-pilsner.htm l
 

Bill Pierce
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She's a looker, all right, Graham. I used to like Miller's Girl in the Moon, too, in my younger days.
 

Skotrat
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The gossip chick is hotter than the Provo Girl... :-)

Gossip Chick
 

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Perhaps.

BUT . . the surgeon didn't get the left implant in correctly.
 

Dan Listermann
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I promised this guy that he would witness my first batch.

http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/06/23/story14.html
 

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"It's an incredible pile of paperwork," said Listermann, who tried to do it himself but eventually gave in and hired a lawyer.

You'll need that lawyer when they find you brewing without a hairnet.



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(Message edited by perbe on June 23, 2008)
 

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dan
 

Bill Pierce
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Dan, could you paste the entire text of the article into a post. I suspect many of us would be interested in reading all of it.
 

Dan Listermann
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Bill, the whole article is only available to subscribers. My uncle scanned it to us so I will try to get that up at some point.

It was good to see you again last week and thanks for stopping by the store. Sorry that I could not spend more time with you, but things were nuts.
 

Bill Pierce
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No problem at all, Dan. As de facto "host" for the conference, you were a very busy man. I was grateful for the quick tour of your shop and brewery. It will be a pleasure to have a beer or two at some point in the future.
 

Dan Listermann
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I did nothing with the conference compared to those wonderful people who were recognized on stage, especially Rob Westendorf. He put in an awesome performance.

I have found that the counterflow chiller that came with the brewery is ineffective at warmer water temperatures. 50' of 1/2" OD stainless would only go down to 100 or so with 74 degree water. I checked the set up more than once to be sure that it was not attached wrong, it wasn't. Now I need to disassemble the thing and rebuild it with copper which has about 10 times the thermal conductivity.
 

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Yes, you'll have to call that last batch Haarschwein, or maybe haariges Schwein.
 

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Here's the text of the article about Dan's brewery. Dan sent me the scanned image, which I put through my OCR software.

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Microbrewery owner has eye on Evanston’s revival

Second phase of tiny operation includes brew pub

By Jon Newberry
jnewberry@bizjournals.com

It’s not exactly the 1800s again, when beer was big business in Cincinnati, but the local industry grew ever-so-slightly this week as a new microbrewery started up near Xavier University.

Listermann Brewing Co. in Evanston might be tiny—it makes just two barrels at a time—but it’s the first new commercial brewery in the area since Mt. Carmel Brewing Co. opened in 2005.

Owner and president Dan Listermann cooked up his brewery’s first batch of Wild Mild Ale on June 16, after more than a year of fighting through red tape to get licenses. The beer should be ready to sell in a couple weeks, barring further snags in getting labels OK’d by federal regulators.

“It’s an incredible pile of paperwork,” said Listermann, who tried to do it himself but eventually gave in and hired a lawyer.

Listermann Brewing is starting off as a low-budget operation with modest expectations, but it’s one with heady potential given its fortuitous location across the street from Xavier Square, a 20-acre mixed-use development scheduled to open in 2010. Plans call for a hotel, restaurants, shops and offices; a fitness center; and student housing. Total investment is expected to hit $100 million.

Listermann, meanwhile, bought his 62-gallon brewing system for $5,000 from a Port Clinton, Ohio, brew pub and installed it in a corner at his existing 13,000-square-foot building. The low-risk strategy is a testament to his respect for the adage that “to make a small fortune in the brewing business, it’s best to start out with a large fortune.”

“I didn't want to spend a quarter of a million dollars on a gamble like this. I did it on the cheap,” he said. “If I do 100 barrels per year, that'll be great. Somebody asked me, ‘Do you think you'll have enough capacity?’ and I said, ‘Boy, I hope not.’”

A more-ambitious second phase, for which he’s already preparing drawings, is a bar and brew pub in the front of the building along Dana Avenue. Once Xavier Square opens, everything changes.

“This place is going to be real different, real soon,” Listermann said of his neighborhood in transition.

A homebrewer and tinkerer who was dissatisfied with the beer-making equipment he found, he started Listermann Manufacturing Co. Inc. in 1991 to produce bottle fillers and other homebrewing devices, initially setting up shop at the Hamilton Country Business Center nearby in Norwood. The incubator helped him find and arrange financing for his building, which he moved into in 1995. He owns almost an acre of adjacent parking that he rents for Cintas Center events.

Listermann Manufacturing has since developed into a thriving outlet for homebrewing and wine-making supplies, and Listermann figures its customers will be happy to buy his beer when they stop to pick up malt and hops. Current plans call for making three beer styles to sell for $2.75 per 22-ounce bottle. They are:

* Wild Mild Ale, a dark English-style mild ale with low alcohol content, a “session beer” well-suited for consumption in larger quantities.

* Cream Ale, a nod to Cincinnati’s long patronage of Little Kings Cream Ale, created in the 1950s by the Schoenling Brewing Co.

* Malt Liquor, a dry high-alcohol style that’s been neglected by craft brewers, in Listermann’s opinion.

All three styles are relatively low in hops, a dried floral cone that givers beer its bitter and aromatic qualities. That’s an advantage given a recent hops shortage that has quadrupled prices over the past year and rendered some varieties virtually impossible to get.

Despite the hop shortage and rising barley malt prices, Listermann’s chances of success would seem to be favorable based on national trends and, locally, on the experience of Mike and Kathleen Dewey’s Mt. Carmel Brewing Co.

The Deweys started their brewery—initially even smaller than Listermann’s—in the basement of their Mt. Carmel home in 2005. They've since expanded to a seven-barrel system and moved into a new addition. They expect to expand their 1000 barrel-a-year brewing capacity again soon, as they are at capacity, Kathleen Dewey said.

Retail distribution now includes sales of half-gallon jugs at area Bigg's and Kroger stores, plus a couple dozen bars and restaurants where it’s served on draft. They’re planning to add a bottling line for 12-ounce bottles in response to customer requests.

Nationally, craft beer sales grew 12 percent by volume in both 2007 and 2006 while sales of mainstream domestic and imported brands have stagnated, according to the Brewers Association, a beer industry trade group based in Boulder, Colo. At the same time, the numbers of microbreweries and brew pubs have also turned positive again, after falling every year from 2000 to 2005.

Spokesman Paul Gatza said Listermann’s background as an inventor also gives him and advantage. “He’s made quite a few gadgets for brewers over the years. If anything goes wrong, he'll figure it out.”
 

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Posted on Monday, June 23, 2008 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks a bunch, Bill!