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Michael Boyd
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Post Number: 357
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Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 03:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the tray
 

Michael Boyd
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Post Number: 358
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Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 05:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My computer is acting funny and it wouldn't let me post these on my original thread. It may not let me post them here.

Big hop cone
 

Jerry Hays
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 03:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great looking cones!
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

geesh...

You guys are already picking hops and mines are barely half way through their growing season here in New England
 

Bob Wall
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hell, I've been pretty busy with my new job and checked my hops the other day, I think I am too late. they look like they dried out. Going to harvest them in the next day or so....if i can find the time
 

Tony Legge
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm with Scotrat.

My plants have just reached the top of my trellis and are just beginning to form cones.
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 9100
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's been a good year for plants in much of eastern North America, with no shortage of moisture. Where there has been a lot of sun and warmth, such as in the South, hops have matured early. Farther north, the growth is not as advanced but things are progressing nicely. The hops I've seen around here (southern Ontario) should be ready for harvesting shortly after Labor Day.
 

Colby Enck
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My oldest cones are starting to get a little dried out, but none of them smell hoppy yet. Do I let them go?
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Let's hope the great hop shortage of 2007-08 is followed by an abundance of hops this year.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Colby, do they have dots of lupulin on the bracts near the stem? Also, what is the variety?
 

Colby Enck
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Post Number: 551
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 06:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bill, yes they do. I cut one in half lengthwise and there's lupulin throughout. Just doesn't have that nice Cascade smell that I'm longing for.

I have one Cascade and one Fuggle, both first year.
 

jeff wright
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Post Number: 222
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Colby,
I think I read somewhere that hops don't fully develop their lupulin potential until the plants are two to three years old. I have first year Cascades that produced well but the cones don't have that "great aroma" I'd like.
I don't know, I'm brand new to growing hops myself.

Brew on,
jeff
 

Colby Enck
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Posted on Friday, August 08, 2008 - 03:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's pics of what I'm looking at. These are medium-size cones of Cascade and Fuggle. The Fuggle has a slight hoppy smell after I smoosh 'em, but the Cascade is still just vegetal/grassy.

Sizes:


'Yellow powder' (lupulin?) on Cascade cone, kinda hard to see:


Cross-section of Cascade cone:


Cross-section of Fuggle cone:


The yellow stuff between the bracts is the lupulin, right?

Jeff: that might explain it... do you know where you read that?
 

Bill Pierce
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Yes, that's lupulin, all right. From the looks of the cones I don't think they're quite ready to harvest yet. They should be more of a yellowish color and a little more dry and papery.
 

Colby Enck
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Post Number: 553
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Does the 'hoppiness' of the lupulin develop over time while on the plant?
 

Paul Erbe
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I would just day those are immature give them a few weeks.
 

jeff wright
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Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2008 - 08:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Colby,
Not sure where I read that about the lupulin developing over 2 or three years. When I started growing hops (this year) I have read just about every post I find on hops. Sooo...it could have been one of those snippets on one of the other boards, or on one of the blogs I've read.
BTW here is a pretty neat site..

http://hopsdirect.blogspot.com/

Brew on,
jeff
 

RJ Testerman
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Post Number: 124
Registered: 07-2003
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Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 06:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here is the photos of our hops from Extreme No CA

http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=50710&l=2ed97&id=755239107

(I hope)

Bill, If you would delete the other post I would appreciate it.
 

Vance Barnes
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Post Number: 3337
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Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

WOW, now that's a hop crop. How many years old are those bines?
 

Leonard King
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Registered: 05-2008
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What Vance said but louder!!
 

RJ Testerman
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Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They are 3-5 years old.
All of these were from Dave at Freshops except for the Clusters. I have to plant a lot because I live in a canyon and get less direct sunlight than most places, so my yields are a LOT less than we predicted.
 

Skotrat
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Those are a Thing of Beauty RJ!
 

RJ Testerman
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Skot, and thank you,

http://www.new.facebook.com/album.php?aid=51154&l=099b3&id=755239107
 

Colby Enck
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

First picking today, only a handful of tiny Fuggles, but I'm happy with this Cascade plant for its first year.

Cone pickin':


They ain't Brussels sprouts:


3 inches deep!:


Cascades on screen:


Twins!:
 

Josh Johnson
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Registered: 07-2003
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While this thread is up at the top, I thought I'd ask:

Does anyone have any tips on formulating a Harvest Ale recipe? Obviously, you don't know your AA levels, but do you tend to use more hops than you would if they were dried (seeing as they're heavier)? Do you tend to hit it harder at the start or the end of the boil? Do you tend to bump up your gravity to match/balance the flavor of the wet hops? Do you brew the same day, or wait 24 hours?
 

Mike Mayer
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Post Number: 827
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How do you know if you left the hops on the vine too long? I have cascades (first year) that don't seem to be getting any bigger (3/4" long) but I don't know if I should pick them or leave them. I don't really know what the "papery" feel is all about. All of them seem to have the yellow lupulin at the base of the leaves. My "Nugget" hops is going crazy, cones are about 1.5" long and about 1" thick.....but again, I don't have a feel for if they are ready to pick or not.
 

Dave Witt
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike,

I just harvested my Cascades. Got over two lbs from one plant. I wait til the most mature cones begin to get some brown on them. They usually develop a faded green/golden color at this time. Then I can harvest those along with ones that are not quite so mature, rather than doing two harvests. The papery feel is relative. All plants have some well ripened cones along with some younger cones. You will be able to tell the difference with some experience. The papery, dryer ripe cones have a dryer, warm feel when you grab hold of them between your fingers. The ones you want to leave on longer will have a more tender, cool, moist feel to them.

Last year, I was late harvesting and so since I wanted to know the effect of brown hops I did a batch of pale ale where I used my late harvested Centennial hops. I would say they were approx. 35% brown hops. The beer turned out good, no outstanding flaws.
 

Mike Mayer
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Posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 11:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Dave, based upon that, I think I'll leave them on the vine a tad longer.
 

marc pullum
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Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 05:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anyone have fresh news on how this years hop crops from suppliers?