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Paul Hayslett
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Post Number: 2012
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 03:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081227/NEWS01/312276 865/-1/news01

But will the BJCP ever see the money he owes?
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 9751
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 03:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The article mentioned the somewhat unusual terms of the prison sentence (that he serve one week per month for 12 months) were due to the fact he might otherwise lose his Social Security benefits. I've never met Bill Slack, but I'm assuming this means he is at least 62 (and probably 65) years old. It does seem doubtful he would have other income with which to repay the $43,139 they were able to prove he stole. It is possible to seize other assets as repayment, but the courts allow someone to keep quite a bit of property (home, car, personal belongings). I agree it's unlikely the BJCP will see much of the money they lost. The sentence seems more of a moral victory than anything else.

(Edit: A white pages search, not always accurate, for William Slack of Nashua, NH indicates he is 73 years old.)

(Message edited by BillPierce on January 02, 2009)
 

PaulK
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 04:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I judged with him once years back. Regardless of his thieving tendencies he was a jerk and a lousy beer judge.
 

danno
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 05:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think the comment "Slack previously was arrested in an unrelated incident in 1998, when he was accused of pointing a shotgun at a teenage Telegraph carrier who was trying to collect money for his delivery route." states it all.
 

Beertracker
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Post Number: 1228
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 07:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree that it's doubtful the BJCP will see much if any of the money he stole. I only met him once, but my impression was that he's a pompous ass. I for one am glad to see he got his comeupins!

WASSAIL! Beertracker

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Paul Hayslett
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The BJCP website (http://www.bjcp.org/index.php#slack) indicates that Slack was using a public defender. I doubt he would do that if he had any available funds to draw on. Bill is probably right that this is mostly a moral victory.
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1684
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I guess I'm not concerned that Mr. Slack would lose his SS benefits if he got incarcerated.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 9752
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suspect Bernie Madoff, age 70, will serve more time, but the percentage of their losses investors will recover is probably about the same: four or five cents on the dollar.

It's possible to arrange for Slack to serve his time at a local jail, but usually there is not much cooperation between the federal correctional system and other jurisdictions. I'm guessing he'll have to go to a federal facility. In the case of indigent inmates, the government pays for transportation both to and from jail. Factoring in the cost of 12 round trips, plus incarceration, it's going to cost the taxpayers a lot more to put him behind bars than the BJCP will ever see. Home detention would be a cheaper alternative.
 

Paul Edwards
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...and garnishing the next $43,139 of his monthly SS benefits while he's on home detention.
 

Bill Pierce
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You can complain about an overly compassionate system, but the law protects social security and federal disability benefits from garnishment. I would estimate the benefits for a single person (to my knowledge, Slack is not married) at about $1200 per month. Dividing $43,139 by $1200, it would take 36 months to repay the BJCP if they were able to attach his benefits. It appears he rents an apartment rather than owning a home, so he likely has very little property. If he ended up on the street, the cost of providing him with general assistance would likely be just as high. We haven't quite gotten to the point where we sanction dying from starvation and exposure as appropriate punishment.

Face it, the money was gone as soon as he took it.
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Post Number: 379
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If this guy was such an ass, how did he get to be treasurer? Was he appointed or elected?
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BJCP regional representatives are elected by the membership, and officers are chosen by and from the regional representatives who meet as a committee of the whole. Typically only a small percentage of the membership votes.

I should add that I would have wished to see the judge mandate community service, for example, 20 hours per week for five years working at a homeless shelter, senior center or facility for the mentally disabled. It would be an appropriate way to "do the time."

(Message edited by BillPierce on January 02, 2009)
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 - 11:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"We haven't quite gotten to the point where we sanction dying from starvation and exposure as appropriate punishment. "

Yet.
 

Tom Meier
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Post Number: 872
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Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not to bash BJCP, a great organization, but 'Pompous ass' is a moniker that can be applied to quite a select few BJCP judges whether they admit it or not.

As much as people try to stamp that tendency out of the organization, it will always be there; just goes with the territory of being a judge..

Look at this way; being a known pompous ass can get you elected as Treasurer. Hopefully a corner has been turned since then..
 

Colby Enck
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Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I could use $43K and I'm a pompous ass.

Can I get my name on the ballot?
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Post Number: 381
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Posted on Saturday, January 03, 2009 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I vote for Colby, that pompous ass. {whisper mode on} You have to split the cash with me {whisper mode off}