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Bierview
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Username: Bierview

Post Number: 565
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 67.81.178.93
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If a lager is chugging along evenly at 48 degrees after a few days, is it helpful to shake the carboy and airate or does it not really make a difference?
 

The Jolly Brewer
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Username: Matfink

Post Number: 2125
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 92.233.31.3
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why would you want to aerate it at this point?
 

PaulK
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Username: Paulk

Post Number: 762
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 68.63.203.31
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Before fermentation or maybe as late as 12 hours into brewing aerating would be OK, but definitely not now. You'll see nothing but negative results like oxidation if you go down that path.
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1701
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 76.252.39.91
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By now, there's really no oxygen left in the carboy. It's either already been assimilated by the yeast or pushed out by the pressure from the CO2 that's been generated. Shaking won't cause oxidation at this point like adding oxygen from an outside source would, but it'll put yeast back into suspension. I don't think it's necessary for a lager like it might be for a highly flocculant ale yeast like Wyeast 1968.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5757
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.118.227.254
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I do swirl a carboy with a lager in it every couple of days to get some of the CO2 out of the beer and to get more yeast back into the beer, in hopes of drier finishes/better attenuation. Probably not necssary except for big beers, but I can't see that it hurts.

I agree with everyone else, don't aerate.
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2428
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.248.74.254
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This topic is begging for someone to put a giant stir-bar in their carboy...
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1702
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What, Bob? Doesn't everybody already do that ???
 

PaulK
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Username: Paulk

Post Number: 763
Registered: 02-2003
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Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Swirling is one thing. He's talking shaking and aerating. If he's shaking the carboy, he'll be drawing air through the air lock.
 

Paul Edwards
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Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 1703
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 76.252.39.91
Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2009 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not necessarily. I've found that by a vigorous rocking, you release a lot of CO2 that's in solution, and create a positive pressure inside the carboy.

I don't pick the carboy up when I do it, tho. A full carboy weighs over 40 lbs, and that's not something I want to pick up and shake.
 

dhacker
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Username: Dhacker

Post Number: 1616
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 74.177.61.140
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 12:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Picking up and swirling a carboy in a milk crate (whether lager or ale) is about the only meaningful exercise I get anymore.

I recommend it as a great cardiovascular workout!

In fact, I've "attempted" the same feat with 11 gallons in a keg!

Oh . . but definitely no 02 at this point.
 

Bierview
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Username: Bierview

Post Number: 566
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 67.81.178.93
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 02:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My carboy's are in wooden crates that I built around them. I tip the crate and swirl the contents mainly to get the yeast back up into the beer. Perhaps airate was the wrong choice of words.
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2429
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 67.191.162.214
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 03:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sometimes when I dry-hop, I grab the carboy by the neck, tilt it, and gently get the beer swirling to make sure the hop flavors and aromas get mixed in well. Did it tonight. Even though there is only CO2 in it, I still try and be careful of not aerating it.
 

Dave Witt
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Username: Davew

Post Number: 1246
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 12.2.161.11
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I do what Bob does to beers that use flocculant yeast, like the BW I brewed a couple weeks ago with 1469. It also helps to get rid of excess CO2 so the yeast have an easier time fermenting.
 

michael atkins
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Username: Mga

Post Number: 700
Registered: 11-2003
Posted From: 71.38.71.65
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nowadays, after the yeast is pitched it's left alone until it's done.

Also to me - Lifting full carboys is a no-no.

I believe in the old saying that "you should never lift anything heavier than a womans skirt"!
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 443
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 12.165.82.136
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A pint of beer weighs more than a womans skirt.