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Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6679
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 74.83.191.159
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

1. Beer that needs to be drank ice cold to be choked down, is bad beer

2. Dark beers are not necessarily strong or heavy.

3. Clear and green bottles are prone to ruin beer and do not have that "import flavor."

4. Bock beers have nothing to do with seasonal cleaning of anything.

5. Beers that have the lack of something as their primary selling point, are not good beers.

6. Draft beer does not give headaches.

7. Bitterness is not a bad thing.

8. The English do not serve their beer "warm."

9. Only a few German beers are around 12% alcohol.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6681
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

10. Drinking beer from a bottle is comparable to holding your nose while eating.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6682
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

11. Drinking beer for the purpose of getting drunk, is a waste of beer.
 

Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 1528
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 84.208.79.179
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"9. Only a few German beers are around 12% alcohol."

Do people really believe that German beers are strong?
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5882
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.118.227.254
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 04:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

12. One should not put bugs in one's beer.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6683
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 74.83.191.159
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't know how many times I have been asked about German beers. I think this comes from the German habit of listing the gravity of the beer in degrees Plato which is seen as percent alcohol by some Americans.

The bugs were a disappointment being rather boring.
 

Vance Barnes
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Username: Vancebarnes

Post Number: 3725
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 69.199.10.66
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The bugs were a disappointment being rather boring.

But I think you can safely say you are the only brewer in America, maybe even the world, who has purposely put bugs into their beer. Other than the ones that come along with the malt.

But I want my Bock beer from the bottom of the fermentor when they clean it out once a year!!!
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 10515
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 24.141.103.148
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Never buy a beer promoted by talking animals or women with a lot of cleavage.
 

davidwaite
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1983
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

After getting home and mowing the lawn tonite I will drink 3 or 4 ice cold bottles of COORS! From experience I can say they will be delicious and precisely what I want. Now tell me, what's bad about that?
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5884
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.118.227.254
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have to agree with David on that one....ice cold factory beer in the summer time is good stuff.
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2696
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 24.248.74.254
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I made the mistake of having three Bigfoot Barley Wines the other night before bed. I paid a small price at work the next morning. Had they been three Coors, it would have been a bit less rough of a day for me.
 

Marc Rehfuss
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Username: Marc_rehfuss

Post Number: 109
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 199.133.215.107
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Bock beers have nothing to do with seasonal cleaning of anything."

What?! That means I've been making bocks wrong this whole time. I've been scraping old yeast sludge from the bottom of the carboy before cleaning it and sticking said sludge in a keg and carbonating it. Is that wrong?

"Dark beers are not necessarily strong or heavy."

No that's true. The more light a beer absorbs, the more alcohol it has, I think it has something to do with quantum mechanics. Also, if you drink enough dark beer you see double, that's not you being inebriated that's the beer actually existing in two places at one time.
 

Jeff Rankert
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Username: Hopfenundmalz

Post Number: 84
Registered: 06-2008
Posted From: 76.122.184.255
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

13 Canadian beer is not stronger.

In Michigan, you get that one a lot.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6685
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 02:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It is my firm belief that any beer that cannot be enjoyed at some level at room temperature, is a poor beer. If I want something that is very cold, ice cold, I will probably ask for water.
 

Anthony Catencamp
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Username: Reddog

Post Number: 183
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 69.11.252.142
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have to agree with David and Chumley. There is still a place in my fridge for some ice cold Lacrosse Lager, PBR or Schlitz. Good camp beers for the summer.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6686
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 02:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In my camp's shelter, the fridge has a half barrel of our mild ale. It is very refreshing. I had a minikeg in the boat on the river last night.

Here is a thought, rig a minikeg to float in the river from the dock. Longer hoses for the beer and CO2 are all that are necessary.
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 2207
Registered: 02-2002
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Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When New Haven had a AA ball team, it always had to be teeth-numbingly cold Rolling Rock in the bleachers on a sunny afternoon. They started selling Sam Adams at some point, but it just wasn't right. If it was 95F and sunny, it had to be Rolling Rock.
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 661
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 209.252.39.59
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan, that floating keg is going to warm up to river temperature in a hurry. I'm guessing your river is 70F+ right now. A little warm to drink.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6687
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Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't mind mild ale at room temperature. It is more flavorful that way. Warmth for flavor, cold for refreshment. It depends.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 10517
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Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd rather drink mild ale at 70 F than at 35 F, although I agree that 50-55 is the ideal serving temperature.
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 663
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Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd rather have my mild ale at 35F, where I can let it sit and warm up to 50F, than drink it at 70F and have no way to cool it down (no I'm not going to drop ice cubes in it).

And I said 70F+ in my original post. I just checked, Lake Michigan is at 69F right now, Dan's river is probably at 77F.
 

Hophead
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Username: Hophead

Post Number: 2842
Registered: 03-2002
Posted From: 167.4.1.41
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"6. Draft beer does not give headaches."

They do if the barkeeps don't keep the lines clean!

"7. Bitterness is not a bad thing."

Amen brother, amen.
 

Nathan Eddy
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Username: Nathan_eddy

Post Number: 251
Registered: 03-2005
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Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Drinking good beer for the puropse of getting drunk is not a waste of beer. Getting drunk on *bad* beer is a waste of getting drunk.

If I'm going to get drunk, I would rather it be on homebrew than anything else.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6705
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Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While it may or may not be true, I like to think that I have never intentionally sat down to get drunk on beer or anything else. I am not saying that I don't (present tense) get drunk, it is never intentional. I can suffer from debilitating hangovers. Who needs that?
 

Nathan Eddy
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Username: Nathan_eddy

Post Number: 252
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Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I never get drunk on wine or liquor. If I get drunk, it's because the beer tastes so damn good I don't want to stop . . . not necessarily that I want a hangover.

So yeah, I rarely set out to get drunk. And, honestly, I have woken up the next morning and couldn't remember the last 2 or 3 three beers. So in that sense, I suppose it's a "waste" in terms of not enjoying those last few beers as much as I would have if my mental acuity had been sharper.

Damn catch-22 trade-off! The more you enjoy, the less you notice.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6706
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Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good beer, coupled with good company can get me drunk. One without the other, is usually not a problem.

(Message edited by listermann on July 23, 2009)
 

PalerThanAle
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Username: Palerthanale

Post Number: 1736
Registered: 04-2002
Posted From: 24.123.95.178
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

14 (I think) - Fruit is for salads, not beer.

PTA
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 684
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 209.252.39.59
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have found a good way not to imbibe too much is to schedule runs early in the morning the next day. The decision to have "just one more" is definitely quashed by the realization that I'm running six miles the next morning. No hangover is more debilitating than the one you have to run through.
 

PalerThanAle
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Username: Palerthanale

Post Number: 1737
Registered: 04-2002
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Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kevin - I do that too.

edit: I just realized, I don't run.

PTA


(Message edited by palerthanale on July 23, 2009)
 

Nathan Eddy
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Username: Nathan_eddy

Post Number: 253
Registered: 03-2005
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Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm up to 4 miles, now. I just started running in mid-May. I've got about 35 runs under my belt, so I've been pretty consistent. I can do 4 miles in 37 minutes. Not blazing fast, but I am still 15 pounds overweight.

Good call on the early morning jog. Another strategy is to only put as many beers in the fridge as I plan to drink that night. Man, if I kegged, I would lose track fast. I don't see how you keg guys do it.

(Message edited by Nathan Eddy on July 23, 2009)

(Message edited by Nathan Eddy on July 23, 2009)
 

Nephalist
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Username: Nephi

Post Number: 169
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 162.116.29.69
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I picture Nathan's comment as being read by the most interesting man in the world:
"I don't always get drunk, but when I do, I prefer homebrew"
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 685
Registered: 10-2007
Posted From: 209.252.39.59
Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm actually running a 5K tonight. One thing that will get me to the finish line faster is that they're serving Magic Hat at the post party:

http://www.terrapin5k.com/postrace/