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Tonymaud
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Username: Tonymaud

Post Number: 115
Registered: 11-2008
Posted From: 151.190.254.108
Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

On the last couple recipes I've made I have had no luck with getting my trub to settle into a nice cone after whirlpooling. I used pellet hops and I used Whirfloc tabs in the last 15 minutes of the boil, cooled with an immersion chiller and gently stirred while it was cooling. Once it's cooled, I remove the chiller and give it another stir to get the whirlpool going. I then let it set for 10 or 15 minutes. I never get the nice compact cone of break material and hops I hear other people speak of. It just settles to the bottom of the kettle and it's hard to siphon the wort from the side without getting a bunch of the trub. Am I not letting it settle long enough? What am I doing wrong?
 

Tom Gardner
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Username: Tom

Post Number: 1175
Registered: 01-2001
Posted From: 162.119.238.163
Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Stir faster.
 

Tonymaud
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Username: Tonymaud

Post Number: 116
Registered: 11-2008
Posted From: 151.190.254.108
Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was stirring fast enough to get a vortex going, but I didn't want to introduce too much oxygen
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 6802
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 74.83.191.159
Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you have a drain valve?
 

Tonymaud
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Username: Tonymaud

Post Number: 117
Registered: 11-2008
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Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, I haven't installed one yet. I'm using a racking cane to siphon right now.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6803
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 74.83.191.159
Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Valve couplings can interupt the flow needed to form cones.
 

Hophead
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Username: Hophead

Post Number: 2874
Registered: 03-2002
Posted From: 167.4.1.41
Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I assume the gentle stirring with immersion cooler is to help it cool faster?

After the wort is cooled, and the chiller is removed, you want to stir it very hard. You're going to oxygenate the wort in the fermenter after transfer so why would you be worried about introducing O2 for the whirlpool??

Stir like crazy then let it sit for 10 min, and put the racking cane all the way to the side when transferring. Good luck!
 

TappedOut
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Username: Tappedout

Post Number: 47
Registered: 03-2005
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Posted on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Depends, too, on what you mean by "nice, compact, cone." Don't expect it to look like a volcano cone in the bottom of your kettle, unless you live near flat volcanos. Mine is definitely higher in the middle, but it does extend out to the edges. So, yes, some trub does make it in the fermenter, but it's better than without. Your procedure sounds pretty much like mine.

On a side note, stirring w/ IM chilling helps it cool A LOT faster. It's basically the manual version of Jamil's approach.
 

Tex Brewer
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Username: Texbrewer

Post Number: 481
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.203.59.252
Posted on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You might want to try Super Moss, which supposedly is much better than Whirlfloc in making a settleable break. Could help your cinder cone formation. http://www.fivestarchemicals.com/tech/supermoss.pdf
 

Tonymaud
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Username: Tonymaud

Post Number: 118
Registered: 11-2008
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Posted on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, I'm stirring with the immersion chiller to help it cool faster, and certainly makes it cool much faster.
I was worried about hot side aeration before it was cooled, but good point, once it's cooled there is no need to worry about that any longer and I can just kick it up and get a good cyclone going.

Thanks for the advice
 

Connie
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Username: Connie

Post Number: 1466
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Posted on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I noticed this clip shows a whirlpool...take a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MidUa2M33oY&feature=related
 

Vance Barnes
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Post Number: 3824
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I thought Whirlflock was supposed to be added 5 min before KO?
 

Tex Brewer
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Username: Texbrewer

Post Number: 484
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 70.249.35.222
Posted on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have seen everything from 20 minute boil to 15 min. to 5 min. to add to the whirlpool. I cannot find a definitive answer and would welcome someone who knows for sure, or who has tested various times. A few postings I've read suggest that 5 min. gives the best results, but others say it makes no difference.