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Bierview
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Post Number: 807
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't dry hop too much so here are a few questions. Using pellets, is it best to dry hop in primary or secondary? Use a hop bag or just throw them in? If adding to secondary, is there any sanitation practices that I should include?

Thanks

ps: I will be brewing Denny's Rye IPA
 

ChriSto
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Dry hop in the secondary, racking on top of the hops. You can use a bag, but I don't. Since there is alcohol already, you are typically safe from needing additional sanitation so just dump them in.
 

Michael
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Bier --- I keg and (generally) do not secondary my ales. So, my dry hopping routine is to use one (or, more) of these with pellet hops....(nayy with any of these vendors, but you get the idea with the picture...any kitchen store will carry...you can get larger sizes, as well)...

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=large+stainless+steel+tea+ball&hl=en&um =1&ie=UTF-8&cid=11023597673004059314#

Sanitize the tea ball, add amount of pellet hops desired, add to keg, rack from secondary, carb and enjoy. I don't bother removing the dry hops...they sit in until the keg is dry (my kegs do not typically last that long).

Oh, my general rule is to add pellets to fill 1/2 the tea ball...they will expand...if you fill it completely, you may have a mess....for hoppier ales, I will add a couple of these tea deals...and split the hops between two varieties...

I will let others cover the "panty hose protocol."

Good luck.
 

Bierview
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Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Christo,

When not using a bag. Do the pellets settle out enough when it comes time to bottle?
 

Bierview
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Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 01:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Michael,
I've seen these tea balls. I'll have to check if it would fit through the neck of a carboy. If it won't, any other ideas? I'll have to think about this for a while.
 

Bill Pierce
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It's not quite the "panty hose protocol." . I use sanitized women's knee-high sheer hose as hop socks for dry hopping (and for pellets in the kettle). If you don't use more than 1 oz. of hops per sock it's not too difficult to extract it from a carboy. Tie a piece of unflavored dental floss or monofilament line to the sock so that you can pull it out when dry hopping is finished.
 

Connie
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Bierview,
The tea ball isn't likely to fit through the neck of a carboy...when I dry hop, I do so in a bucket. Everything else goes in a carboy
 

Michael
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Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bier --- I offered up the tea-ball approach if you keg....not saying this is the best way to do it, but works fer' me. This method will obviously not work in a carboy. Good luck
 

Ric Heinz
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I just dump the pellet hops into the secondary. When I transfer to the keg, I use a small RV water pump suction strainer with a fine screen in it (sanitized of course) to catch any hop bits that want to carry over to the keg.
 

Bierview
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Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've used the traditional hop sacks with pellets but found I needed to put a few marbles in to keep them from floating. Bill, the dental floss sounds good.
 

Mike Mayer
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Like Bill, I use knee high's. I sanitize the nylons by boiling them in a cup of water in the microwave for a minute or two. I don't bother trying to sink them in the secondary, they float around for 2 to 3 weeks and I get all the dry hop aroma/flavor I need.
 

Brad On Bass
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I've been using hose when I vorlauf and it has been very effective in reducing the number of times I have to recirculate. I've been reluctant to use them for dry-hopping because they have a slight odor to them. It doesn't really smell like an added fragrance, per se, but more the smell of the nylon itself. Thus far I haven't noticed it transferring to the runnings, but I've been concerned that left for two weeks to dry-hop it would be discernible. Have you guys noticed anything like this or do I need to emasculate myself and shop for new hose?
 

ChriSto
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Christo,

When not using a bag. Do the pellets settle out enough when it comes time to bottle?


Yes, eventually they will fall out. Cold crashing helps. Stirring/rocking to get CO2 released that gets imbedded also will let them fall. And as mentioned above, putting some type of screen over your racking cane (plastic scrubbie works well).
 

Bierview
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Denny's IPA doesn't indicate how long to dry hop. For those of you who have brewed it, how long did you secondary? Also, is dry hopping basically for aroma?
 

Greg Rosace
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I primarily DH for flavor,the aroma is the bonus bi-product.
These days, Ive found using whole leaf hops to DH gives the best results... flavor and aroma wise,that I just dont get with pellets.
I generally secondary with 2.5 oz for 14 days with my IPA, cold crash on day 12 to sink em and clear up a bit.
 

Denny Conn
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I dry hop the Rye IPA for a minimum of a week (usually 2 weeks) in secondary. Then I add another oz. of dry hops to the keg.
 

Bierview
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It tastes great out of primary. I was thinking of leaving it in secondary for 4-5 weeks at 45 degrees to achieve clarity. What are your opinions on that time frame? Thanks!
 

Bill Pierce
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Lagering a beer will certainly promote clarity, but it also diminishes some of the esters that may be desirable in an ale. It's a matter of what your goal is.
 

Bierview
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Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bill,

Are you suggesting a shorter secondary for the style?
 

Bill Pierce
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I'm suggesting (seriously) that it's very much a matter of taste and what you prefer.
 

Bierview
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Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 - 11:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I pulled the hop sack after two weeks in secondary and will let it sit for a bit longer. The aroma was fantastic. I did have a bit of a fight getting the swelled sack through the carboy top. How do most of you handle this?
 

Dave Witt
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How do most of you handle this?

Don't use a bag.

It's much easier to use the bag on the end of your racking tube, going into the bottling bucket to catch any floaties.
 

Jeff Rankert
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Dave, that is the way I do it. You can use the bag to keep the hops in, or you can use the bag to keep the hops out. The inverse is how I think about it.
 

Bierview
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Do the pellets drop out sufficiently without the use of a bag?
 

Bierview
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sorry...........already asked that......
 

Steve Ruch
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i can't remember where I saw it, but there is a gadget out there somewhere for dry hopping in a carboy. It's like a tea ball but is elongated to easily fit through a carboy opening.
 

Bierview
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Steve,
If you remember, post it for me.
 

Steve Ruch
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I didn't find it in any of my home brew catalogues so I'm thinking I saw it in either BYO or Zymurgy in the new products section. I'll look through my back issues first chance I get and report back.
 

Chumley
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Word to the wise...don't listen to these guys telling you not to use a bag. I did once, and after a month of swirling, chilling, everything, the hop pellet particles still were floating. I never did get them all filtered out, and I always had floaties in that keg.

Nylon bags, knee highs, tea balls...just use 'em. If using a carboy for a secondary, its easy to squeeze the bag in and out. Its easier to use a keg, though...and the tea ball really works well in the keg.
 

Greg Brewer
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NB sells a Brew Infuser that might be what Steve had in mind. For $40 I'd stick with socks...

http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/brewing-equipment/stirring-straining/the-b rew-infuser.html
 

Bill Pierce
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If you really needed such a device, I think it could be constructed from aluminum window screen for a lot less than $40. For me, women's knee-high sheer hose work just fine, and I can buy two pairs for a buck (loonie here in Canada) at a dollar store. I use one ounce of pellet hops per sock, weigh it down with a couple of marbles and suspend it in the carboy with unflavored dental floss.
 

Bierview
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Chumley,
My gut tell me the same thing.......
 

Steve Ruch
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Greg,
I'm pretty sure that's what I was thinking of.
 

Bierview
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I'd like to find something other than fabric slender enough to fit into the neck of a carboy.
 

Dave Witt
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If using a carboy for a secondary, its easy to squeeze the bag in and out.

No it isn't. Much easier to screen it out, either with a hop bag on the output end of the racking tube or a Sure Screen (NAYY), on the end of your racking cane. BTW, this is just MHO. Also, IMHO, it is much easier to dryhop with pellets in a carboy than whole flowers. (Although there's nothing like an IPA with WF in the keg, in a bag of course.)

(Message edited by davew on February 19, 2011)