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Jonathan White
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Username: Jonathanwhite

Post Number: 61
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 74.182.33.208
Posted on Friday, February 04, 2011 - 03:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The first good beer I ever brewed I call Tommy's Bitter. This is Tommy. Tommy

I meant for it to be an Ordinary Bitter; but, it falls between Ordinary and Special. 1.040, 32 IBU's.

My hop additions are at 0:60, 0:10 and 0:00. The way I've been brewing it, the IBU's at each addition have been:

0:60 - 24 IBU's
0:10 - 5 IBU's
0:00 - 3 IBU's

IAW (in accordance with) Jamil's article: "The Secret to Big Hop Aroma and Flavor"
at http://www.mrmalty.com/late_hopping.htm, I am going to try it at:

0:60 - 11 IBU's
0:10 - 11 IBU's
0:00 - 11 IBU's

It will take about twice as much hops, by weight, as usual.

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Jonathan White
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Username: Jonathanwhite

Post Number: 62
Registered: 10-2003
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Posted on Friday, February 04, 2011 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is Tommy: Tommy
 

Vance Barnes
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Username: Vancebarnes

Post Number: 4097
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 24.99.147.250
Posted on Friday, February 04, 2011 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I brewed that recipe when the article was first published. I didn't like the B:G ratio when I plugged evertying into Promash but decided to brew it as it was anyhow. I was very dissapointed in the result. I like the concept and the huge hop flavor and aroma but just think you need to still have a higher B:G ration than his recipe. I'd like to try it again with that ratio around .70 and see how it is.
 

Jonathan White
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Username: Jonathanwhite

Post Number: 63
Registered: 10-2003
Posted From: 74.182.33.208
Posted on Friday, February 04, 2011 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

First of all, the recipe for Tommy's Bitter is my recipe. I didn't get it from Jamil or anybody else.

Secondly, I,m a little confused. I think that with 32 IBU's and an O.G. of 1.040, you'd get a BU:GU ratio of 0.80. How is a BU:GU ratio of 0.70 higher? You'd have to lower the IBU's to 28 to get that ratio.

Besides, I'm not really asking for comments on the Tommy's Bitter recipe per se. The discussion that I would really enjoy and appreciate would be about Jamil's concept of using substantially fewer hops at the 0:60 minute stage and substantially more hops at the 0:20, 0:10 and 0:00 minute stages.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 12554
Registered: 01-2002
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Posted on Saturday, February 05, 2011 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can only partially speak to Jamil's concept of heavily weighting a beer with late addition hops. I've brewed hoppy beers, but they have included substantial amounts of hops early in the boil as well as late.

There is a tendency for beers with a lot of hops to taste "grassy." Not everyone finds this objectionable, but enough do that this has been noted. Often the recommendation for bittering hops is to use high alpha varieties, so that less hop volume is required, and save the lower alpha, more flavorful and aromatic varieties for the later additions.

I can't help but think that if the IBUs are provided almost entirely by late additions that this grassy character would be more pronounced. But again, not everyone finds this a problem, and some may even welcome it.
 

Tex Brewer
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Username: Texbrewer

Post Number: 646
Registered: 03-2004
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Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 - 02:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jonathan, some of the IPAs and double IPAs, particularly from San Diego, use a lot of later addition hops in comparison to the bittering hops. These beers have a wonderful flavor and aroma (assuming you're a hophead) and do not have the prickly slap on the tongue of an IPA with a whole lotta early hops. It gives a good balance. I'm not a fan of most of Victory's really hoppy beers (Hop Wallop, etc.), for example, because of that lack of balance.

For a bitter, I don't know that this will hold, however. A bitter has a much milder flavor (hence: "mild"), and the big hop flavor and aroma could easily overpower the beer. I would not go there, but hey, that's what homebrewing's all about, so try it if you want.