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Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 490
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Haha, campaign strategy plans should be kept in the gun locker and far away from prying journalists :-)

Not that I have anything against the good mayor. If the Republicans nab the next presidency, PLEASE let it be someone competent like Giuliani or McCain, and not the-next-Bush-in-line...
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 243
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 04:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is no next Bush in line. Cheney is not running....jeeze.

Maybe journalists should be held accountable for some of their actions.
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Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 491
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What about Jeb?
 

Ron Siddall
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Post Number: 248
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Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What about him?
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Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 6155
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have not heard mention of Jeb Bush as a presidential candidate. While he enjoyed some popularity as Florida governor and does not have the excess Iraq baggage of his brother, it would seem doubtful that the public hungers right now for another Bush in the White House.
 

Liquidbreaddiet
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Username: Liquidbreaddiet

Post Number: 549
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ron - Both George 1 and 2 have expressed that they want Jeb to run for president "someday". I think that it is in Jebs best interest not to run anytime soon.
"If I'm not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?"
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 6110
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Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Didn't Jeb announce last week that he was getting out of politics after his FL term ended?
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 3896
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dick Nixon said something similar.

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Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 6159
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Perhaps Jeb could run for the Senate and join Ted Kennedy and Hilary Clinton as members of other political dynasties.
 

Joshua Coman
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Username: Crazyjae

Post Number: 171
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 03, 2007 - 11:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Denny:

About four years ago -- back in my newspaper editor days, I had a reporter who did a story on Jeb's son Geroge P. Bush. I let her go to some fundraiser dinner and she ended up seated next to him. She did a fluff story and I ran it as an anchor feature.

Anyway, during their dinner, G.P. Bush told her he plans to run for presidency -- but, considering he's only 30 now, I suppose he will have to wait 5-years before he attains the Constitutionally mandated age for president. I've also read that he's planning to wait at least 10-years after his uncle leaves office, mostly due to the idea of there being "Bush Fatigue".
 

Ken Anderson
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Username: Ken75

Post Number: 1901
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 03:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I see the media is stirring up some stink about Obama. I do believe it is a contest among media peers to see who can find the dirt first. I mean, it's like their GOAL anymore.
Sad thing is, this trend may keep otherwise decent people from even considering a bid for political office, because, how many people DON'T have a skeleton or two in their closet?
In truth, I don't want some "perfect" twit who has never done a thing wrong in his life to be the president. I'll take someone more "normal" please.
 

dhacker
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Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You mean more normal like someone who commits adultery?

Oh, sorry Rudy . .

Times certainly have changed in what people value. Not long ago, a person wouldn't have had a chance to be president if they had an extra marital affair. Now society has become so callus, that at least 77 percent don't care if a guy has been unfaithful to his wife.

Odd . . . A person who doesn't have the fortitude to keep his pecker where it belongs, but is trustworthy enough to be recommended to run a world power.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1488
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

dhacker, isn't it considered a virtue to have extra-marital affairs while in office? Especially in the Democratic party? Sure seems that way....
 

Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 492
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, man. If you think politicians were more faithful before, then you may have forgotten to remove your rose-tinted nostalgia-specs.

Personally I find it hard to believe that there has ever been a single head of state, of any state, that wasn't at one point unfaithful. It's the nature of power combined with ridiculous work hours. Deal with it. It does not mean that a person is less qualified to run a nation.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1491
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So that makes it ok Joakim? A person that shows that he or she values their marriage and has proven to be faithful to his or her spouse is going to win many more votes from the conservative side than one who is the opposite.

I know I lose all respect for someone who cheats on his or her spouse no matter what they do for a living. To me it shows quite the lack of integrity. Unfortunately yes, this means probably 98% of our politicians have no integrity based on that (and many other reasons), but if given the choice between two candidates with similar values in other areas and one is a faithful spouse and the other is a cheating slob I know where my vote goes.
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Speaking of faithful, I have found that homebrewers, generally, are extremely stable people. While I have never done a poll on the subject, attending any brew club meeting will soon show that there is a disproportionate number of people still married to their first spouse and a high level of people who have worked a long time for the same company. I would like to think that our next President could find time to do a batch in the White House basement every once in a while.

Dan

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dhacker
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Post Number: 729
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Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're probably right . . though I would find it hard to believe Ronald Reagan stepped out on Nancy as much as he was in love with her!

I donít consider myself to view the world through rose colored glasses, but I guess I am old fashioned by some definitions in my belief there should be an unwavering benchmark for acceptable social behavior.

And it's also true . . justification is possible for anything. No one wants to take responsibility for their actions anymore. Chalk it up to power, money, drugs, long hours, environment, the devil . . . Itís excuse dejure' and it allows individuals to do whatever they darn well please with greed. I suppose it's the lack of moral perseverance by so many that has made the world a better place!!
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 6163
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If the studies are to be believed, nearly 70 percent of partners are unfaithful at some point during a marriage. Regrettable, yes, and a sign of the nature of modern life, but it seems simplistic to hold this as a litmus test of our leaders. The dynamics of personal relationships are not quite the same as those of societal ones.
 

Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 493
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Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike, I'm not saying that it's ok. In my personal life it is absolutely unacceptable, but I don't confuse that with a person's ableness to rule a nation.

The problem of voting for the faithful guy, is that he may just as well have been unfaithful (and probably was), he was just better at covering it up. You just never know.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1492
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Holy crap Bill, 70%? That HORRIBLE! I wouldn't be surprised to see that number for people in power, whether it be political or business, but 70% for the average Joe? That's just depressing....
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 6166
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Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I should qualify that, Mike. I believe the statistic is that 70 percent of marriages experience infidelity by one partner or the other or both over time. Obviously there is a range from one-time occurrences to repeated deceptions.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1493
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Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bill, is that 70% a percentage of couples who want to be monogamous, or all married couples period? I mean I can see that number being raised drastically by couples who swing and things like that. To me that's not infidelity, that's intentional and accepted by both parties.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 6167
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Posted on Thursday, January 04, 2007 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I believe it's for all marriages, Mike. I have no idea of the percentage who "swing"; I would think it's very small, but who am I to say?
 

dhacker
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Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 02:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The dynamics of personal relationships are not quite the same as those of societal ones.

Bill, I agree with your statement in that it is probably easier to screw the guy sitting across the round table from you and get away with it, than it is to screw a woman who's not your wife and get away with it!
 

dhacker
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Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmm . . .

Apparently others think Rudy's antics are an issue.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2940430

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Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

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Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Rudy's no saint. Surprise, surprise... You can't be Mother Theresa and succeed in American politics. The only question in my mind is that he seems to have something of a mean streak in his personal life that makes you question his capability for self-restraint.

The recent admission by Newt Gingrich that he was having an extramarital affair while pursuing Clinton's impeachment is also interesting. It's telling about his personality, not about hypocrisy but in the way he views politics as a winner-take-all blood sport in which the end always justifies the means. I can think of only a couple of individuals (certainly Tom DeLay is also on that short list) who have done more to undermine the civility of American political discourse.
 

Miker
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Post Number: 647
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Posted on Monday, March 12, 2007 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm with some of you in that I would have a hard time voting for someone that I knew cheated on their spouse. How could you trust them in anything else of importance. In my opinion if you can justify that then you can justify just about anything you do.

Don't know where you got that 70% figure, Bill but it sounded WAY too high to me, so I had to spend a little time looking into that one. Didn't search long enough to find a link to an actual study, but parts of the article below corresponded with the figures I ran across most. Didn't see anything near that 70% mark anywhere.

"USA TODAY Article
Affairs rare despite rumored popularity

By Karen S. Peterson
USA TODAY
Monday, December 21, 1998

In spite of confessed sexual peccadilloes in Congress and the White House, not everybody is doing it.

The latest, still-unpublished research shows that about 24% of men and 14% of women have had sex outside their marriages. A national study of 5,000 men and women who have been married is under way at the Center for AIDS Prevention Studies at the University of California, San Francisco.

The findings closely match those of a prestigious 1994 study from the University of Chicago.

The issue surfaced again when House Speaker-designate Robert Livingston, R-La., announced Thursday that he's had extramarital affairs, then resigned Saturday. He joins an ever-lengthening list of members of Congress confessing infidelities.

But the popular belief that about half the married population cheats is a myth, says a co-author of the new study, Joseph Catania, a behavioral epidemiologist.

Catania finds that about 28% of men President Clinton's age (52) have had affairs, as have about 17% of women.

One finding "popped out," Catania says. "There is very little sex with co-workers." His research shows that most affairs are with friends (57%) of at least six months, not colleagues (9%).

Only about 0.5% overall have had multiple affairs. And only about 3.3% have had extramarital sex in the past year. His sample is 55% women, 45% men; the study was done in 1996 and '97.

Catania's findings follow a 1994 report that found 80% of women and 65% to 85% of men have never had an extramarital affair. "Every study that I know of over the last few years has resulted in the same type of findings," says one of that study's co-authors, John Gagnon of the State University of New York at Stony Brook."

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