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Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5562
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While you guys slam McCain or Obama, depending on your strident partisanship, I am happy to report that here in the Great State of Montana, our ballot will allow a lot of choices for United States president.

If you are a liberal, you might want to vote for Ralph Nader (independent) or Cynthia McKinney (Green)

If you are a moderate, you might want to vote for Barack Obama (Democrat) or John McCain (Republican)

If you are a conservative you might want to vote for Ron Paul (Constitution) or Bob Barr (Libertarian)

Not only is there a candidate that represents your ideology, there are two candidates per ideology that you can pick and chose from! Is this state great, or what?
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 1716
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Obama a moderate? Jesus Chumley! Lay off the Kool-Aid!

Obama was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. He shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5567
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 03:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He may sound like a liberal to an ultra-right winger like you, Bob, but if you look at his position on the issues, not some bogus ultra-conservative think tank's rating system, they are pretty moderate. No national health care, supporting war in Afghanistan (which the Republicans have failed dismally), energy development, hunter's rights, etc.....the list goes on.

You ultra-right wingers think everyone left of William F. Buckley is a liberal.....these days, I bet you think ole Bill (God rest his soul) was a liberal, too.

I really pity people like you, clinging to fear of the world. I hope some day you might find some peace and love in your heart.
 

Graham Cox
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Username: T2driver

Post Number: 1847
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 04:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I really pity people like you, clinging to fear of the world. I hope some day you might find some peace and love in your heart."


Chumley, that's over the edge. I hesitate to speak for Bob, who I'm sure will have his own say on this, but regarding us right-wingers in general, you've got it all wrong.

I am what you would describe as an "ultra-right winger" - Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Fox News, Ronald Reagan is my hero, etc.

I don't "cling to fear of the world." I recognize that there are numerous nations who wish us ill, and non-nation-specific entities who do as well. I'm not afraid. I served my country in uniform for 20 years, not because I'm afraid of the threats that face us, but because I wanted to confront them and defeat them. Today, in retirement, I still recognize and accept the fact that there are those that wish us harm. This is not fear, it is pragmatism.

Regarding peace and love, I believe that true peace and love can only be gained from God, through a belief in Him and through a profound respect for what He has created and a humbleness before Him. I have great peace in my heart, Chumley, because I know Him and He is my guide and my companion. Regarding "love in your heart", I love you, despite our political differences. God does, too. You are as precious to Him as the stars in the heavens.

So I do have peace and love in my heart. I do believe that liberal ideology is inherently wrong and flies in the face of what this country's founders intended, and so I am politically inclined to gravitate to what is referred to as "The Right." I always have been, even since I was a kid - this despite the fact that both my parents are Democrats. (Old-school Franklin Roosevelt farming Democrats.)

I appreciate the inclination towards empathy in your pity, but save it - it is based on a false assumption. I have full peace in my heart and love for my fellow man. I oppose your political philosophy, but I cannot begin to describe the warmth and fullness I feel from my relationship with God. Joakim will think I'm nuts, I'm sure, but you know what? God loves him, too.
 

Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 1718
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 07:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well spoken Graham, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Chumley, you are really showing your rather portly ass on this one.

The National Journal is a well respected non-partisan publication that has been around since the 60's. You do yourself no favors labeling them as a "bogus ultra-conservative think tank."

Also, I do not need or want your pity. I have plenty of peace and love in my heart, but I don't have to justify myself to you. I find it ironic you would make such a comment after spewing such myopic and venomous comments.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1975
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob - at first I thought you said National Review was non-partisan and I almost spit my mouthful of water all over my screen!! Then I realized you said National JOURNAL, not REVIEW....
 

Paul Erbe
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Username: Perbe

Post Number: 1222
Registered: 05-2001
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 08:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Blah Blah Blah, I guess this would matter if the president had any real power.
 

Paul Erbe
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Username: Perbe

Post Number: 1223
Registered: 05-2001
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 08:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh and by the way the neither major party subscribes to the platform they did back when all of your positions were formed.

I thought of myself as a Republican for years. Because I believe in smaller federal government and stronger local government, responsible spending etc... Unfortunately the GOP still spew that belief but don't practice it.

Now I agree with Chumley and consider myself a Independent and will vote for the candidate that looks most equipped to lead us out of the sinkhole we have been led to. I am looking forward to the debates I hope they will manage to discuss the issues because they sure did not at the conventions.
 

Chumley
Senior Member
Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5570
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, September 12, 2008 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As usual, all blow hard, no substance, just posturing. Sigh.

Its sad to think how much of the country thinks like this.
 

Joakim Ruud
Senior Member
Username: Joques

Post Number: 1089
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Graham, thanks for the concern. I think. :-)

I always get nervous when people put their trust in an imaginary being (not to mention thousands of years old holy texts that have been culled, censored and edited countless times) rather than their own faculties and their own morality. It makes as much sense to me as worshiping Norse gods or putting out milk and porridge to the little goblins. It showcases a level of irrationality in the world that I simply am not comfortable with. But nuts? I wouldn't go that far :-)


(Message edited by joques on September 13, 2008)

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