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Steve Pierson
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Username: Stevepierson

Post Number: 380
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Food for thought - if you haven't already decided who you are voting for.

http://tinyurl.com/3jkx4b
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5925
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just more one sided propaganda.

What ever happened to the Republican mantra of the "Ownership Society?"
 

Steve Pierson
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Username: Stevepierson

Post Number: 381
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What is the other side? Please enlighten me.

Congress forced lenders to make high risk loans. Financial writers and observers pointed out that this was a risky policy. Congress continued to say "There's no problem". Till now. Those responsible in Congress should be charged with malfeasance.

(Message edited by stevepierson on October 02, 2008)
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5930
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By the tone "Those responsible in Congress" were all Democrats. The Republicans had to be dragged kicking and screaming. Please give me a break . . .

Remember Bush was real big on "the ownership society." That means something.
 

Steve Pierson
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Username: Stevepierson

Post Number: 382
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your inference, sir. I think that all those responsible in Congress should be prosecuted. Republicans, Democrats, etc.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 655
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Steve, don't worry too much about Dan. He sees everything as a shot at him.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5931
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 12:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now, now, Ron, I am just trying to keep everything "Fair and Balanced." (R)
 

Steve Pierson
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Username: Stevepierson

Post Number: 383
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 02:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Ron. I've been reading this board for several weeks. I think I've got the lay of the land here.

My statement stands - prosecute all those responsible in Congress - Republican, Democrat, etc. Seems to me that's pretty fair and balanced.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5933
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 03:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"My statement stands - prosecute all those responsible in Congress - Republican, Democrat, etc. Seems to me that's pretty fair and balanced."

I certainly have no trouble with that, but was the spiel truly "fair and balanced?"
 

Steve Pierson
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Username: Stevepierson

Post Number: 384
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 03:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The most damning evidence in the video is the members of Congress in their own words - is that unfair?
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5935
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It the scenes were cherrypicked to blame one party, it was unfair.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 658
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan, you make accusations without any basis in fact. You use assumptions just like you did on this thread. You accused Steve of being biased without even having the decency of at least asking him before you hurled the accusation at him. Once he cleared it up for him, you are not even man enough to admit that you might have been wrong and apologize.

Do you have any decency left?
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5937
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 04:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry you feel that way Ron. If you are blind to the huge bias of that clip, there is nothing I or anyone else can to for you.
 

Steve Pierson
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Username: Stevepierson

Post Number: 385
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan, please share what evidence you have about others who were involved in this scam. Republicans, Democrats, etc. As I said, prosecute them all.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 659
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Steve, Dan will never provide you the details you want. He never has and never will but he does provide free shipping East of the Mississippi.

Hey Dan, there's a Boogey Man over your right shoulder!
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 5938
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Come on Ron, you are better than than that.

Oh, we added states that border the Mississippi on either side!
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 6977
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Try this...

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 660
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Barney Frank as late as July was saying that Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac were in a good position and were going to get stronger. Did anyone invest any money in either of these two entities in July? If so, you will have a real nice capital loss to claim come 4/15.
 

davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1872
Registered: 03-2001
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

From Dennys link: The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation.

That is priceless! And very accurate, unfortunately.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 661
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 06:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Denny, nice link.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 6981
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Everyone should spend more time at Fact Check, AFAIAC.
 

Steve Pierson
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Username: Stevepierson

Post Number: 386
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Denny. Great link - I will be spending (wasting) some time there over the next few weeks.

And as I thought, plenty of blame to go around. A pox on all their houses ...
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 2012
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fact Check rules, I was introduced to it during the '04 election and I've been a regular reader since then. I always look forward to the Friday "Just the Facts and Ask FactCheck" emails.

You can subscribe here:

http://www.factcheck.org/subscribe/

Denny, I had not seen the link you posted though. That's the best non-partisan explanation I've seen yet. Remember when the newspapers used to actually "report" like that instead of pushing an agenda? Ahhhh...the good old days....
 

Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 1157
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That is a great resource. It is a source that all concerned can agree is just delivering raw facts, as opposed to politically biased "truths". It is not the end of partisan politics. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it may be the end of the beginning. To paraphrase the great quotemaster.

I freely admit that I (maybe subconsciously) seek out news sources that validate my preconceived world views (The NY Times application occupies the probably most-frequently pressed spot on my iPod Touch), and it is really refreshing to be confronted with the raw facts of any given matter. It makes you think, as opposed to just beating your chest.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 2041
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm going to beat my chest here a little bit.

To be clear, I do still think the fault lies more so with consumers who got in over their heads, but the enabling in this video is pretty damning. I know Obama has been hit with evidence of the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac lobbyists giving money to his campaign, so you gotta wonder how much all of these Dems have gotten over the years, because to defend those entities in spite of having the facts laid out before them is unbelievable. They were warned point blank and not only did they not heed the warnings, they called the warnings lies and attacks on Frank Raines. Unreal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 9402
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac--and lots of other companies--were flush with money during the boom and spread it widely among politicians of both parties. They hedged their investments (like any savvy trader) by making sure the contributions went to both sides of the aisle. The list of recipients includes almost everyone with influence in Washington.

McCain once understood this and tried with some effort to control the money that is the mother's milk of politics. But in the end it was bigger than him--and just about everyone else.

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