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Chumley
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Post Number: 5615
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If this doesn't both inspire you and move you to tears, then you have a cold, calloused heart....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA
 

Bob Wall
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Post Number: 1873
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...Or a brain and an aversion to shameless propaganda
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh yeah, get a life loser.
 

Chumley
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BWAHHAHAHAAHHAAA!!!
 

Graham Cox
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr3v7Vsg3uY
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Speaking of change, this letter was in our local paper today.While I don't necessarily agree with everything in it, it does contain several points I've though about...

Republican beliefs have shifted

When I read the letters to the editor from Republican readers, Iím always impressed with how emphatic and sure they are in their political beliefs and how so often their moral compasses are used to justify those beliefs. So, I wondered: What exactly do Republicans so vehemently believe in?

Well, in 2007, the majority of polled Republicans felt it was ďbad for society for mothers of young kids to work outside the home,Ē but now itís heroic. Republicans claimed unwed teenage mothers were a signal of the moral collapse of our society, but now they are just a normal part of American life.

In the last election, Republicans claimed a candidateís war experiences and military service werenít qualifications to be president, but now they claim the opposite. Republicans also firmly believed that American troops should never be involved in nation building unless we invade a country thatís an oil-producing nation.

Republicans claimed it was morally reprehensible to have an adulterer as president, but now itís fine. Republicans claim to be fiscally conservative, but the last Republican president created more red ink and debt than any president in history, second only to Ronald Reagan.

Republicans claimed Washington insiders were the source of most of our countryís troubles, but now a 26-year Washington insider is just what we need.

The one thing that I could see hadnít changed or flip-flopped is Republicans still like to nominate millionaires because they understand we regular working people so well.
 

Ron Siddall
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Denny, that was very well written by a liberal with an agenda. I am sure nothing similar could ever be written like that to describe a Democrat, Socialist, Independent or any other type of party for that matter.

Therefore, what is the point?
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It is called "lip service."
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ron, could you point out which points aren't valid? Other than the conclusion, maybe. To me, it's all about something I've pondered...which McCain/Republican party am I supposed to believe is the "real" one? Now, I'm not saying that the other side might not be able to be accused of the same things. I've said that many times before.
 

Ron Siddall
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It doesn't matter which points are valid or not but I will amuse you anyway.

"Republicans also firmly believed that American troops should never be involved in nation building unless we invade a country thatís an oil-producing nation"

Denny, how much oil is in Afghanistan?

"Republicans claimed unwed teenage mothers were a signal of the moral collapse of our society but now they are just a normal part of American life."

I think Bill Cosby also says this. Given the absolute numbers of unwed teenage mothers, is it has become a normal part of our life, unfortunately.

Now Denny, how about you posting something like that but from another parties angle - just so we know how fair and balanced you are.
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ron, as soon as I can find one, I'll be happy to.

Personally, I don't see Afghanistan as "nation building". But I also don't see it as going after oil.

The fact that unwed teen mothers are a fact of life doesn't really have anything to do with the Repubs former denunciation of them.
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"The fact that unwed teen mothers are a fact of life doesn't really have anything to do with the Repubs former denunciation of them."

"Unwed teen mother" is somewhat synonymous with the Republican code word "welfare queen."
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

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Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 09:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Unwed teen mother" is somewhat synonymous with the Republican code word "welfare queen."

Sheeeesh . . .
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe there is no such thing as "Republican code words."
 

davidw
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Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 10:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes Dan, the Repubs have secret decoder rings. Don't the Dems have something similar?

 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I must have missed the meeting where they were handed out.
 

Mike Huss
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Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Yes Dan, the Repubs have secret decoder rings. Don't the Dems have something similar?"

No, their accessories of choice are tinfoil hats.
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 1893
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Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 03:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...speaking of tin-foil hats:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/02/mckinney-accuses-government-slaughtering -prisoners-dumping-bodies-katrina/

 

Brewzz
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Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH-2Fwx5RU0
 

Brewzz
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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some more interesting stuff here:
http://www.babylontoday.com/national_debt_clock.htm
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 1899
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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brewzz, did you watch this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A

Pretty eye opening.
"It pains me to see y'all still on the plantation with chains on your brain"
 

Brewzz
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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes Bob,It made me smile quite a bit.I'm a Republican by choice,but lean towards the Libertarian...In political views...
http://www.lp.org/platform

Cheers,Brewzz
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob, nice find. That was AWESOME! I can't recall one thing he said that I didn't agree with and he nailed what has always driven me nuts about liberal hypocrisy....
 

Bob Wall
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Post Number: 1900
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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I love that he is wearing a Richard Pryor "Che" shirt. I have an Obama "Che" shirt:



Tonight, I am taking the wife and kids to a Black Crows/Phil Lesh & Phriends show. (Vance and his wife will be there too) I was thinking about wearing it. But I am there for the music and I am afraid I might get beaten up by rabid hippies.

(Message edited by BrewDudeBob on October 05, 2008)
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And Mike, if you liked the first video, check this one out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imQSuJVFUSU&feature=user
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Libertarinism" reminds me of abstinence only sex education. Theoretically it is inarguable, but from a practicle perspective it is a train wreck.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh man, he's good...REAL good. The A-team was a hoot. He has so many:

The Vote Reaper is a classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbW64215HA8&NR=1

And then there's the Diddy Retort....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2amXLa-iZGw&feature=related

Good stuff man, good stuff....
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 04:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Who the is this guy?!!! He's amazing!!!

I'd vote for him in a heartbeat!
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 04:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh yeah. Just got back from the show. It was awesome, but they didn't ask Phil to come out for an encore. Half the crowd was there to see Phil and they forgot about us.

 

Mike Huss
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob, you are going to have to be careful with your announcements that you are going to see Grateful Dead guys. It's going to make it really hard for the lefties to pigeon-hole you!
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's another video that ought to move you to tears...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 06:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, I'm a leftie and I friggin' HATE the Dead. Does that make it harder to stereotype me??? :-)
 

Mike Huss
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You and me both Denny, you and me both. Never like 'em, never will. Never liked the Beatles either.

You know, I listen to some nasty metal, I suppose I should be a fan of redneck country to fulfill my stereotype, right Dan?
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can't stand pop country. However, I do like many classic country tunes from the likes of Willie, Waylon, Johnny Cash, Jerry Jeff Walker, and countless others. But guys like Garth Brooks need to be put in bamboo cages and poked with sharp sticks. And I absolutely HATE that awful "God Bless The USA" by Lee Greenwood. How can people like that crap?
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suppose that there are conservatives who appreciate classical music . . . . somewhere.
 

Chumley
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't think so, Dan....everyone knows that there is no such thing as a conservative elitist.....



....well, not since Bill Buckley died.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, libs pretty much have a monopoly on the elitist thing.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Monday, October 06, 2008 - 10:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't know. Bill Bennett (whom I actually listen to on occasion) sometimes seems to be trying to fill Buckley's shoes.
 

Brewzz
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I like classical music...alot!
I was brought up on it...but then,of course,both my parents were democrats back then......
Brewzz
Oh yeah,I saw the Dead in a park in San Fransicko back in '68...thought they were cool then...LOL
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 01:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would have to say that the Dead are like the Lambic of Rock Music. Either you really like them or you can't stand 'em. They are an acquired taste.

Is Denny's hatred for the Dead perhaps a form of "Bimodal Thinking"?

 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've seen the Dead maybe 20 times and I've been paid to be there every time! And each time I think "2 drummers and you STILL can't hear the backbeat!" ;)
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pearls before swine...
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 03:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Or swine before pearls......
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

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Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2008 - 12:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just don't put lipstick on it!

anyway, here's a Howard Stern audio clip of a "Man on the Street" interview with Obama Supporters

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/999596/

 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

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Posted on Friday, October 17, 2008 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There are idiots everywhere, on both sides of political viewpoints, Bob...
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Friday, October 17, 2008 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe so, but it much easier to find them on the Left. When it comes to the Loony Left, their vocal amplitude is inversely proportional to their intelligence quotient.
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Friday, October 17, 2008 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL! Ever hear of "Right Wingnuts?" Just tune into any radio talk show.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 03:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob, the landscape on both ends of the political spectrum is littered with looneys. Your own bias limits your perspective.
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 03:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ditto Bill, Ditto.
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In bimodal thinking there are only "good guys" and "bad guys." Babbling about "ends of the political spectrum" implies that there might be a middle. This is obviously "fuzzy thinking."
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How about this for an example???

Radio host Bob Grant asserted that Obama created an " 'O' flag," but apparent flag in question was Ohio's
Summary: Radio host Bob Grant asserted that Sen. Barack Obama "is not content with just having several American flags, plain old American flags with the 50 states represented by 50 stars[.] He has the 'O' flag." However, the flag to which Grant apparently referred was actually the Ohio state flag.


From the October 15 edition of WABC Radio's Bob Grant Show:

GRANT: Let me ask you this question, since you are aware of patriotic symbols. Maybe you don't know the answer. I'll be frank. I don't know the answer to this one, but what is that flag that Obama's been standing in front of that looks like an American flag, but instead of having the field of 50 stars representing the 50 states, there's a circle? Would someone please tell me what that is? Is the circle --

CALLER: Well, I thought it was our new flag.

GRANT: -- the "O" for Obama? Is that what it is?

CALLER: I thought it was our new flag. I thought we now instituted a new one under Obama, because we're going to change everything, and none of it is gonna be positive. And do people's mindset that Palin would be any kind of an adverse person around nuclear weapons, when you have somebody who has absolute deceived everybody from his onset of his life --

GRANT: All right, Sue. I want to thank you very much for your call. It's a pleasure to hear from someone who's paying attention to what's going on out there.

But really folks, did you notice Obama is not content with just having several American flags, plain old American flags with the 50 states represented by 50 stars? He has the "O" flag. And that's what that "O" is. That's what that "O" is. Just like he did with the plane he was using. He had the flag painted over, and the "O" for Obama. Now, these are symptom -- these things are symptomatic of a person who would like to be a potentate -- a dictator. And I really see this in this man.

Hey, I could be wrong. But I wouldn't say this on this great radio station if I didn't think there was some merit in this conjecture. And I stress conjecture. And so much of what we talk about is conjecture, is theory, is opinion based on intuition, based on some facts, based on some history.

I don't want to overdramatize this. Being dramatic, I must confess, does come easy to some of us, because, maybe that's why we're in this business. It is show business, is it not? I know some of my colleagues don't want to admit that, but they are the greatest showmen in the world. And I tell you this. I tell you this quite seriously. I am alarmed at the prospect of his election. I -- I would hope that if he is elected, that I could come before you one day and say, "Hey, there was no need to be alarmed, I was wrong."

Because I care about the United States of America and what future we may have much more than I care about being right or being wrong, having my candidate win or having my candidate lose. I want to know how many of you people think about the significance of the election.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200810160022?f=h_latest

(Message edited by denny on October 18, 2008)

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