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Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2021
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This one takes the cake:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/la-times-refuses-release-tape-obama-prai sing-controversial-activist/

If McCain had 1/1000000th the nefarious associations as Obama, it would not even be a race. The fact that the L.A. Times refuses to release this tape is all the proof I need that Obama is definitely someone who should NEVER be trusted with public office in the USA. And shame on anyone who votes for him. Is it too late to bring back Hillary? At least there is no question where HER loyalties are.
 

HEU Brewer
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Username: Heu_brewer

Post Number: 432
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob

That story forgets to mention McCain's ties to Khalidi and how McCain as Chairman of the International Republican Institute funded Khalidi's orgainization over $800K from 1998-1999.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/the-khalidi-gam.html

(Message edited by HEU_Brewer on October 29, 2008)
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2023
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice try HEU, but McCain rubber-stamping the funding of this supposedly legitamate organization is dramatically different than the praise Obama heaped on this wretch.

Did McCain know of Khalidi's ties to the PLO?
Did McCain stand up and praise Khalidi knowing all about his ties to the PLO?
Did McCain let Khalidi babysit his children?

Obama knew all about Khalidi and what he is all about.

Why is it that Obama is so comfortable being around people who are a danger to America?
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 7023
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, Bob, it's not dramatically different to those of us who can look at things with a modicum of objectivity.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 7025
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6061828 .column
 

Hophead
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Username: Hophead

Post Number: 2792
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 06:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hillary's loyalties are with Hillary. :-)

I don't suppose you believe that the Bush's have no relationships with people who are a danger to America?

IMHO, mccain shot himself in the foot with "his" VP choice. But that's another story for another thread eh?
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2024
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So McCain and Liddy are friendly. Whoopty god-damn doo. At least Liddy paid for his crimes. Can't say that about Obama's buddy Ayers. If that's the best you got, it's not alot.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5647
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just love the smell of fear in the air!
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6116
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ayres did not pay for his crimes because the prosecution screwed up.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 7027
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob, that's a damn low bar you've set.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 9435
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is an 11th hour attempt at swiftboating, and it seems unlikely to have the same effect that it did on John Kerry early during the 2004 campaign.

Rashid Khalidi was a colleague of Obama's and is a generally respected academic who holds somewhat controversial political views about a region where emotions run high and the violence is longstanding. I'm willing to consider that it's possible to respect someone as a person even if you disagree strongly with his or her politics.

Bob, you say shame on anyone who votes for Obama. You can and should register your own opinion next Tuesday, but it seems extreme to condemn with those words what may well be a majority of the voters.

Again it's a matter of respect despite disagreements.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 704
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Look we can always start calling for impeachment proceedings on January 22nd.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6117
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I say that we ram through impeachment hearings starting January 1, 2009 - two at once. Imagine the tizzy a President Polosi, even for just a few days, would put the Righties into.
 

HEU Brewer
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Username: Heu_brewer

Post Number: 434
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"So McCain and Liddy are friendly. Whoopty god-damn doo. At least Liddy paid for his crimes. "

So McCain pals around with terrorists AND known CONVICTED felons... Even Better!!!!!

Thanks Dan

(Message edited by HEU_Brewer on October 29, 2008)
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6118
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Convicted felons.
 

HEU Brewer
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Username: Heu_brewer

Post Number: 435
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just read that Obama hangs around with the Grinch and want to redistribute Santa's toys to good and bad boys and girls....

Remember this when you vote!
 

HEU Brewer
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Username: Heu_brewer

Post Number: 436
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 08:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just this in.....

Under the Obama plan the Tooth Fairy must give every child the same amount per tooth.

The Tooth Fairy was quoted as saying

"...this is an outrage. Everyone knows rich kids have the best teeth, why is Obama redistributing my wealth like this"

Unconfirmed video shows Obama and Biden hanging out with the Cavity Creeps chanting "...We make holes in teeth" during a ralley in Candy Land
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 705
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Someone has gone off the deep end.....
 

HEU Brewer
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Username: Heu_brewer

Post Number: 437
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 09:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Glad you got my point Ron
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 1875
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ahhhhh....

At the end of a very long, very bad workday, I knew I could come around here for my daily dose of Bob. A good belly laugh is a restorative for the soul.

AFAIK, they haven't sealed the borders yet. You can still make it to Mexico before election day! (Don't go north. Canada, even under Harper, is still more socialist than we will be under the Dems. Funny how they still seem to have a good quality of life. Don't they know they're suppose to be poor and unhappy?)

The next time someone asks why I'm voting for Obama, I'm going to tell them, "What other tweed-wearing, latte-sipping, arugula-eating, Hahvahd-educated egghead do you know that has so many Real Men crapping in their pants?"
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 706
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If truth be told, I do believe the fat lady is singing, and rightfully so.

The one thing McCain has proven he cannot do is manage. His election campaign (all of them) is a disaster and quite frankly if he cannot get that right, he probably should not be President.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 9437
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For all of his experience, McClain does seem to have poor management skills. Ironically, those are the same qualities the other candidates (especially Obama and Palin, but even Biden who has spent nearly his entire working life in Congress) have been accused of lacking.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6119
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The first "presidential act" a candidate makes is the naming of a running mate. McCain blew this big time. He pushed the pander button.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6120
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2028
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan, I wish I could post a link to the video, or at least the transcript of it. But the L.A. Times feels it is in their best interests to protect Obama than to let the people decide for themselves after knowing all the facts.

Bill, Rashid Khalidi is a rabid Jew-hating extremist. he calls Israel an "apartheid system in creation" and a "racist state" that "brainwashed" Americans do not understand. Jerusalem, with its Jewish majority since the 1880s, he deems "an Arab city" whose control by Israeli "foreigners" is "unacceptable." And so on.

Who is this guy respected by??? I'd like to know.
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 1876
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Um, Israel IS a racist state with an apartheid system. The Palestinian issue aside, it is also a theocracy of a type which we would never allow here. Would YOU want to live in a place where the clergy, not the state, gets to decide whether or not you can marry the woman of your dreams, with no right of appeal? And it might not even be YOUR clergy, if you aren't the "right kind of Jew"? Where the police will do nothing to stop your fellow citizens from stoning your car if you have to go to work on the sabbath?

Israel is an ally, and a good one, in a region where we need all the help we can get. It deserves our support and friendship. But it is not a free and secular democracy of the type we live in here. There is no separation of church and state.

Even the best of friends can disagree over politics. We can be Israel's ally and defender without blind acceptance of its system of government.
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2043
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

but Paul,

If Obama has nothing to hide, why doesn't HE call for the tape to be aired?

If this were a tape where McCain was praising someone like David Duke, and Fox News was sitting on it, the rent-a-mobs with torches and pitchforks would be surrounding their studios 24-7.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 7030
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob, the LA Times is protecting whatever modicum of integrity they have by not releasing it. They were asked by their source not to release it, so that's what they're doing.

Once again, I'm awed by your omniscience in knowing what would happen if it was McCain.
 

HEU Brewer
Intermediate Member
Username: Heu_brewer

Post Number: 438
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob do you not care that McCain authorized at least $400K be given to this same person?

Why does this not bother you?

If as Chairman of an organization then apparently McCain does not care about where the money goes or who he is authorizing it to go to. Will he have this same apathetic leadership as Commander In Chief?

This seems to go along with him hanging out with convited felons and terrorists.
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2045
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just want to know what is on the tape. Why don't you? Are you afraid of what you think may be on it?
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 1877
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 03:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey, Bob. Sorry for the response delay. Too much work these days. Been cutting into my B&V time.

In my post, I wasn't talking about the tape. I was just responding to your apparent outrage that Khalidi thinks Israel is a racist, apartheid state. I don't understand the outrage. You can defend Israel by saying that it has to be a racist, apartheid state in order to survive in the nasty neighborhood it lives in, and I'm not sure I'd argue with that. But to deny that it discriminates against non-Jews (and that would include Reformed Jews who would definitely be Jewish to you and me) is to try to deny reality.

As for the tape, what could it possibly have on it that would be of value? Unless it shows Obama clubbing harp seals or giving Khalidi a blow job, it can't be more lurid than what the conservative blogosphere seems to imagine. Keeping the tape secret seems a gift to the Right, not the Left, because it means they can keep talking about the vast conspiracy behind it.

Obama was nice to the guy. McCain gave him money. W's goons don't seem to have felt the need to detain him at the border and send him to Gitmo as a terrorist. He's probably every bit the nasty piece of work that he is portrayed as, but that doesn't make everyone at that taped party a threat to America.
 

Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2047
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 03:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Keeping the tape secret seems a gift to the Right, not the Left, because it means they can keep talking about the vast conspiracy behind it.

That is true, and it should be hammered day and night until the truth is revealed. If this guy spewed his anti-semitic hatred and Obama slapped him on the back in the process, the voters have a right to know BEFORE they cast their ballot.

Now another thought is that the Times is gaming the Right by puffing the content so when they DO release it, the public will see a benign rubber-chicken dinner and the joke's on us. But I doubt they'd waste their time with that.

The only conclusion I can draw is that there is something on that tape which would destroy Obama if the people saw it.

What do you think is on the tape?
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 1880
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 03:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What do I think is on the tape? A benign rubber-chicken dinner. It's probably boring as hell.

But, then, I'm a liberal, so I'm biased.
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 1881
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 04:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It occurs to me that I should say WHY I think there is nothing on the video. It comes down to fame and money.

If any new organization really had a scoop that "would destroy Obama if the people saw it" (or McCain, for that matter), and they didn't show it, how could they explain that to their shareholders? They have the exclusive on the biggest story of the year and they don't use it to fullest advantage? I can't see it.

Journalists have no shame. They'd post video of their own grandmothers smoking crack if it would get them 5 more viewers. And this would be a guaranteed Pulitzer, plus lots and lots more advertising money. So much ad money, in fact, that failing to go with it would mean getting sued for breach of fiduciary responsibility by shareholders, should they find out.

No, there's nothing on that tape which hasn't already been written about.

Here's some semi-relevant reading:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15106.html


(Message edited by PaulHayslett on October 31, 2008)
 

HEU Brewer
Intermediate Member
Username: Heu_brewer

Post Number: 440
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Friday, October 31, 2008 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Bob does that mean you are re-canting the following...

"If McCain had 1/1000000th the nefarious associations as Obama, it would not even be a race. The fact that the L.A. Times refuses to release this tape is all the proof I need that Obama is definitely someone who should NEVER be trusted with public office in the USA. And shame on anyone who votes for him."


If not then McCain has the same ties, he even authorized the donation of money to Khalidi's orgainization so apparently he should not be trusted and according to your own words "shame on anyone who votes for him"

I knew this election would be interesting but when I read in the closing days that Bob Wall puts "shame" on a person voting for McCain well...Isn't America great!!

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