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Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2396
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2009 - 11:39 pm: | 
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The Senate just confirmed Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/26/senate-confirms-geithner-treasury-sec retary/
So much for Hope and Change. Timothy Geithner is an effing tax-dodger and now he is going to be in charge of the IRS. Less than a week in office and Obama has already squandered his credibility. If I was an Obama supporter, I would be outraged. I cannot believe we have sunk this low in politics that something like this could happen.
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause..." |
Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 9888
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 01:30 am: |
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Bob, I suppose I could say something biblical about Obama being the harbinger of the apocalypse, but I'll just assume you'll be in a funk for most of the next four years and possibly longer. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2397
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 02:02 am: |
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So are you defending this detestable choice? Or are you just trying to be snotty.
(Message edited by brewdudebob on January 27, 2009) |
Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 6496
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:20 am: |
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Bob, think of that appointment as a bone to the righties to salivate over for a while. Enjoy!
Oh Bush's first Treasury Sec had a similar problem but nobody bothered to go apeshit then. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2398
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:32 am: |
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So Dan, you have no issues with this? This clown only paid his taxes once he found out Obama was going to appoint him. Now he is going to be in charge of the IRS. You can't tell me that there are no other qualified people for this position.
As a small businessman who I assume pays his taxes, I would think you would at least be somewhat disturbed by this appointment. |
Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 6497
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:50 am: |
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Oh you are just ejaculating over a got'cha. You need help.
What did you think of Treasury Sec Snow's tax problem back in 01? Did it make you all blue in the face?
"former Treasury Secretary John W. Snow was criticized for a whole host of tax and benefit issues that his former employees alleged at Jacksonville, Fla.-based railroad company, CSX." |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2400
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:11 am: |
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So you are saying two wrongs make a right? I was completely a-political back in 01. I have no frame of reference to John W. Snow. But I see you took the time to google, then post a quote regarding it, and the best you could come up with was a quote that uses the word "alleged"
My problem with Geithner is not allegation. It cold hard fact. He didn't pay his taxes until he knew it was going to be investigated. Sounds like you are giving him a pass because he is a Democrat. |
Chumley
Senior Member
Username: Chumley
Post Number: 5753
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:19 am: |
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I try not to get involved in the sophomoric Wall rhetoric, but....
Look WTF is the issue, you incredibly stupid morAN.
He screwed up on his deduction, paid what was owed, the Obama campaign infomed him that he owed taxes that were beyond the statutes of limitations, he then paid those extra taxes.
WTF about that, do you not get, Bob?
This gets my righteous indignation boiling high...in Montana, our administration tried to get a system going to catch these tax frauds, both cheaters and INADVERTENT non-payers, but the REPUBLICANS decided that funding extra government to go after tax cheats cost us too much money, lets let them go.
Hay-Zeus-H-Kristos, Bob....you cannot be that freakin' stupid as all of your posts on B&V World Expressions indicate....just what the hell do you want? More IRS government to help citizens pay their required taxes, or, or, or,....help me out, I am left sputtering over your enormous stupidity. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2401
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:25 am: |
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If the best you can do is call names. then lick my nutsack you fat-ass oxygen-wasting POS. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2402
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:29 am: |
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He didn't screw up. He knew what he was doing. The evidence supports this. He was gaming the system. And now we have someone running the IRS who knowingly and willfully evades his taxes.
So no matter how many names Chumbucket calls me, the truth remains. |
Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 6498
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 12:13 pm: |
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I repeat: "Oh you are just ejaculating over a got'cha. You need help." |
dhacker
Senior Member
Username: Dhacker
Post Number: 1609
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 12:14 pm: |
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C’mon Bob, just let it go . . You’re beginning to alienate yourself from the fine folks here on the B&V.
Even if you’re right, it really doesn’t matter. There will always be people who will disagree with you, with me, with Bill, with Dan, with Chumley, with . . .
So trying to convince them to change views or prove a point is wasted effort.
This country/ world is in such deep poop right now that NO ONE . . not Obama, not McCain, not Limbaugh, not Hannity, not me, not you could fix things. There is NO HUMAN alive who can.
You seem to have religious convictions, so allow me to quote a scripture . .
Words from the prophet Jeremiah . . use whatever translation you prefer, but it says the same thing . . . 10:23: O Lord, I am conscious that a man's way is not in himself: man has no power of guiding his steps . ."
I believe what he was saying in a nutshell is that man does not have the ability to govern himself.
Has history not sufficiently proven that? |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2403
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 12:53 pm: |
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Why do I feel like a character in Night Of The Living Dead? Is everyone here so drunk Obama's Kool Aid that they have abandoned their principles to support political favors? I ask this in all seriousness.
Guys like Bill Pierce, Paul Hayslett, and Denny Conn, whom I have many differences with, but I have lots of respect for, are eerily silent on this issue. This is not a "gotcha" game like the Bloated Bloatarian is pathetically trying to imply. This is a clear cut case of morality.
There is a reason we hold our public officials to higher standards, and the first reason is that they are the enforcers of the law. For a position as pivotal and critical as Treasury Secretary, who is also in charge of the IRS, it is utterly incomprehensible that someone who willfully dodged his taxes could even be considered. I pay my taxes, and I think it is reasonable to demand that the head of the IRS pays his too.
And you guys think I am the one who is un-hinged. I think you all need to look in the mirror and ask yourselves why you would defend this choice. You are the ones losing your credibility. |
dhacker
Senior Member
Username: Dhacker
Post Number: 1610
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 01:00 pm: |
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The Psalmist penned these words . .
Psalm 146:3
Put not your faith in rulers, or in the son of man, in whom there is no salvation. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2404
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 01:24 pm: |
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Amen to that dhacker.
By the way, I got my 4th W-2 in the mail yesterday, so tonight I will be paying MY taxes...well, I already PAID them, I will just be legally requesting a refund for the amount I over-paid. |
Mike Huss
Senior Member
Username: Mikhu
Post Number: 2148
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 02:34 pm: |
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Here is Russ Feingold's (not exactly someone we would call "Mr. Right Wing") response as to why he voted AGAINST the Geithner confirmation:
"I voted against the nomination of Timothy Geithner to be the next Secretary of the Treasury with some reluctance. President Obama, like any other President, is entitled to have the Cabinet he wants, barring a serious disqualifying issue, and Mr. Geithner is a very able nominee in many ways. And while I am troubled by Mr. Geithner's track record on some of the issues that have contributed to the credit market crisis, I do not base my vote on what is, to a certain extent, a matter of policy disagreement.
"Mr. Geithner's tax liability is a different matter, however. I am deeply troubled by his failure to pay the payroll taxes he owed, despite repeated alerts from his employer at the time, the International Monetary Fund, that he was responsible for paying those taxes. Moreover, his earlier interactions with the Internal Revenue Service over his failure to pay sufficient payroll taxes for his household employees make Mr. Geithner's explanations of his failure to pay his own payroll taxes even less satisfactory. The failure to comply with our nation's tax laws would be problematic for any Cabinet nominee, but it is especially disturbing when it involves the individual who will be charged with overseeing the enforcement of our tax laws.
"With the condition the economy is in, and the state of our country's financial institutions, the stakes could not be greater for the next Treasury Secretary. While I could not support his nomination, I respect Mr. Geithner's abilities and I look forward to working with him to address the serious problems facing our country."
But it's ok, you guys just go on accusing Bob of being a hyper-partisan right-wing nutjob. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2406
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 02:54 pm: |
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Thanks Mike. |
Brewtun
Junior Member
Username: Brewtun1
Post Number: 45
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:10 pm: |
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Bob, you should know by now that these things only matter when it's a republican that does them. Everybody knows it's Bush's fault anyway. |
Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 6499
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:20 pm: |
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I thought it was Clinton's fault. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2407
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:33 pm: |
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No, this one is all Obama.
Poor judgement.
God help us. |
Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 6500
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 03:51 pm: |
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Wow! Speaking of raw hate! |
Joakim Ruud
Senior Member
Username: Joques
Post Number: 1320
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:05 pm: |
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"But it's ok, you guys just go on accusing Bob of being a hyper-partisan right-wing nutjob."
Well - he is. But he may have a point in this case.
People, isn't this why democracies have political opposition? To keep the ruling party honest? Bob may be the most acerbic adult I've ever encountered on the net, but still he's entitled to speak up on matters like these. |
Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 6501
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:19 pm: |
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Obviously the powers that be have decided that this issue does not out weigh the advantages in appointing this guy who comes otherwise highly recommended. It might be different if no Republicans voted for him. Must everybody always be a virgin?
And Bob can utter whatever he wants and others can respond with whatever they want. |
Mike Huss
Senior Member
Username: Mikhu
Post Number: 2150
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:20 pm: |
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"Well - he is. But he may have a point in this case."
Exactly, that's my point. Bob HAS a point but some folks are just blowing off his concern as partisan rhetoric and not even paying attention to the actual issue, thereby stepping deeply in to the muck of hypocrisy by playing partisan themselves. |
Joakim Ruud
Senior Member
Username: Joques
Post Number: 1321
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:24 pm: |
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Of course, if he'd tone down the rhetoric, people might be more inclined to take him seriously. Me included. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2408
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:45 pm: |
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Where in this thread has my tone been out of line? It wasn't until Chumbucket called me everything but a child of God that I responded in kind. Then I moved on. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2409
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:52 pm: |
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You know, looking back, I expressed an honest question and Bill Pierce made a snotty comment. then I responded, and Dan said I was "ejaculating over a got'cha" So when I pointed out Dan's weak argument, Chumbucket assailed me with verbal diarrhea.
And I am the one who needs to tone down my rhetoric? Sheesh. |
Paul Hayslett
Senior Member
Username: Paulhayslett
Post Number: 2046
Registered: 02-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 04:56 pm: |
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Hey Bob,
Please don't take my "eerie silence" to indicate agreement or disagreement with you on any issue. It usually just indicates that I'm too busy to get involved. I've got enough work right now to keep two of me busy. No time to chat.
Please also do not assume that I regard Obama as any sort of Messiah, nor that I expect him, or any politician, to be perfect. He will make mistakes. Geithner may turn out to be one of them. I'm willing to give both of them the benefit of the doubt for now, but I will surely speak up if I think they are headed in the wrong direction.
That said, I'd actually be happy to see a Treasury Secretary who is befuddled by the US tax code. I, myself, am befuddled by the US tax code. As a business owner, I spend many hours a year on my taxes. If I printed out my personal return, it would run to about 30 pages. I'm certain that it contains errors, but I have no idea where or what. I'd love to see a Treasury Secretary who felt a visceral need to simplify the code. (Yes, I believe in fair taxes, flat taxes, anything that is simpler than what we have. See? I'm not a party-line, left-wing nut job. Really.)
Obama is young and inexperienced. He has made some mistakes. He'll make more. But let's give him a little more rope before declaring him hung. |
Joakim Ruud
Senior Member
Username: Joques
Post Number: 1322
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 05:27 pm: |
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Bob, I basically agree with you on the issue. I think tax evasion is one of the worst economic crimes since it undermines the entire social order.
But:
"Obama has already squandered his credibility."
"I cannot believe we have sunk this low in politics that something like this could happen."
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause..."
That's pretty pointed rhetoric. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2410
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 05:28 pm: |
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Paul,
I wasn't trying to drag you through the coals. Just pointing out the oddity of your absence. 
Geithner was not "befuddled by the US tax code" He knew what he was doing. He is supposed to be the best and the brightest, this is why Obama picked him. These kind of excuses don't pass the smell test for someone who is supposedly uniquely qualified to run the Treasury.
"Obama is young and inexperienced" Wow, thanks for that. In the spirit of civility, I will leave that one alone. (but I'd be more careful about using the rope analogy on a black man)
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Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2411
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 05:42 pm: |
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Joakim,
"Obama has already squandered his credibility."
Maybe I should have said "squandering". I really do not think it would have been too difficult to find someone as well qualified with less baggage. Obama ran his campaign on Hope and Change. But Geithner's appointment is politics as usual. So I don't feel I am too far off base on this one.
"I cannot believe we have sunk this low in politics that something like this could happen."
Well...yes I can. We've been that low for quite some time. Both sides.
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause..."
A nod to George Lucas by way of Padme...
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Joakim Ruud
Senior Member
Username: Joques
Post Number: 1323
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 05:52 pm: |
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Aha. I never saw that one. The second prequel was so atrocious I wrote off Lucas completely. |
Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 9890
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 06:20 pm: |
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Bob, it's extremely clear you do not have a high opinion of Brack Obama, and of course you have the right to express that vigorously. It also seems that you view his election and presidency as a social, moral and political disaster. Again, that is your right, as it is mine to mention the pattern I see in your posts.
Paul expresses an opinion very close to my own. Yes, there is at least one ethical question about the appointment of Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary. I'm sure his future performance will be evaluated in light of that. For now, I'm willing to wait and see what happens. I don't blindly agree with everything Obama does or says, and, as I'm sure you will, I will periodically express my disagreement when it occurs. It's our right as citizens of a democracy. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2412
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 07:10 pm: |
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It also seems that you view his election and presidency as a social, moral and political disaster.
I do fear for the future of our Republic. I only hope our Constitution is stronger than an unbridled, unchecked, Leftist Triumvirate. |
Doug Pescatore
Senior Member
Username: Doug_p
Post Number: 2195
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 07:46 pm: |
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Bob,
I just lived through a similar fear for the past 8 years and it looks like our Republic made it through those dark days of unbridled, unchecked, and thoughtless policy.
Breath deep, concentrate, and go on with your life.
BTW, I have no problem disagreeing with our President and do not blindly follow anyone.
-Doug |
Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 6503
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 08:56 pm: |
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Despite the incompetance, I doubt that anybody expressed the fear that Bush did not care about white people. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2413
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 09:17 pm: |
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pathetic. |
Ron Siddall
Advanced Member
Username: El_cid
Post Number: 740
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 09:43 pm: |
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Wow, hard to believe some of you are adults.
Bob brings up a valid point for discussion and the following happens:
Chumley's brain melts into yeast slurry
Danno once again brings into play a penile metaphor (are you sure you are not trying to "come out"?)
Billy Knowitall dismisses it as completely like it's no big deal when it is.
dHacker - I agree with you. Trying to convince people is a COMPLETE waist of time. |
Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 9892
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 12:18 am: |
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Fair enough, Ron. Consider this another horse beaten beyond the grave. |
Denny Conn
Senior Member
Username: Denny
Post Number: 7144
Registered: 01-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 07:03 pm: |
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"For now, I'm willing to wait and see what happens. I don't blindly agree with everything Obama does or says, and, as I'm sure you will, I will periodically express my disagreement when it occurs. It's our right as citizens of a democracy."
Pretty much sums up my opinion, too. |
Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 6510
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 08:02 pm: |
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If the Geitner appointment is an example of the magnitude that rises to the label "Colossal Blunder" under the Obama administration, things are going to be pretty good, especially compared to the experience we endured during the prior administration. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2417
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 08:24 pm: |
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More nothingness form someone who can't see how damaging this appointment is to the integrity of the office. Our elected and appointed officials must be beyond reproach. I would be just as upset if it were McCain appointing him. What makes this doubly problematic is that Obama made himself out to be this holier than thou figure who was above the fray. This appointment has riven asunder any pretense that Obama is anything more than just another political hack.
The horse is officially dead, but Dan always has to get the last word in, doesn't he. |
Kevin Kowalczyk
Intermediate Member
Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer
Post Number: 423
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 08:26 pm: |
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Well Bob, since you replied after him, no. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2418
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 09:08 pm: |
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Just throwin' out the bait... |
Kevin Kowalczyk
Intermediate Member
Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer
Post Number: 424
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 09:14 pm: |
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Ur hur hur. |
Chumley
Senior Member
Username: Chumley
Post Number: 5754
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 10:14 pm: |
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I agree with everything that Dan posted in this thread. |
Bob Wall
Senior Member
Username: Brewdudebob
Post Number: 2434
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 09:55 pm: |
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Get yours today:
http://www.taxcheatstamps.com/
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