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Pivo Cerveza
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Username: Pivo

Post Number: 39
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That is the status quo. Basically, if you are one of the 47 million uninsured in this country - including those who are here illegally, then you get free healthcare. How it works is that you pay nothing up front, and then if you get really, really sick, then the hospital has to take care of you. They can't turn you away, so they pass the cost of your care to the rest of the people who actually can pay.

Does this make sense to anybody?

I can see liberals thinking that they'd like to take care of people because they see themselves as compassionate. I can also see conservatives adopting the position that the uninsured are getting something for nothing, and that we shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare.

With that as a starting point, I would be interested to hear some logical ideas about how to correct this situation.

One thought I had was that maybe we should consider a national sales tax for healthcare. My main reason for thinking this is because this country has a huge underground economy, and too much of the burden for paying taxes is placed on wage earners and companies. Those that do work "under the table" can easily avoid it. A sales tax, while regressive, would be a lot harder to avoid. I also believe that the regressiveness of the tax would serve to partially balance out the progressive act of providing healthcare to those who can't/won't pay for it.

For those of us with insurance, I would think that this would serve to drive down our premiums, because the system would no longer be burdened by the non-payers. Also, I don't think there is anybody who believes that the current system of waiting until somebody is really sick before providing care is the cheapest option.

I'm sure there are a thousand things wrong with this idea, but rather than just attacking ideas, I'd really like to just hear rational solutions at this point.

brewer of beer
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Username: Brewbeer22

Post Number: 78
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 01:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rationing. It sounds cruel, but the bottom line is that everyone dies eventually. The majority of health care dollars should be spent on keeping healthy people healthy.

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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5886
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 02:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your system makes sense to me, Pivo.

I would even add on more specifics on the National Sales Tax, making all fresh food products exempt, but taxing processed food (frozen pizzas, TV dinners,, soda, etc). Leave the basic food groups untaxed.....meat, milk, fruits and veggies (canned, fresh, or frozen), bread, etc. You are too busy or lazy to cook for your a tax.

BoB also makes sense.....the amount of money keeping old people alive who are ready to die is an enormous drain on the system. Having just watched my MIL die in April, after suffering from dementia for the last 7 enormous sum of money was spent on someone who just plain was not going to get better.