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Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5986
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Man, I love December! I woke up this morning to 4 inches of fresh snow on the ground.

I have 5 kegs of beer ready for the office holiday open house. And, I hope to have three kegs on tap (Bock, ESB and IPA) for the holdidays.

Georgetown Lake has 6 inches of ice....so ice fishing season is here!

But you know what I like best about December?
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TONY ROMO AND THE COWBOYS ARE GOING TO COLLAPSE!!!

Its as regular as the Winter Solstice!

Better stock up on the tissues, Mike Huss....
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 10977
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We may have some snow flurries tonight here in southern Ontario, but this was the first November since records have been kept that there was no measurable snow. Today it's sunny and in the upper 40s F; lawns are still green, although the leaves are gone and many people have their Crhistmas lights up. Something tells me we're going to pay for the mild November.

Could both the Saints and Colts have a perfect regular season?
 

Kevin Kowalczyk
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Username: Itsfunbrewingbeer

Post Number: 842
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We didn't even have a frost in November here in Chicago!! (Officially the temperature at Midway airport got down to 30F twice, and 31F once, but if you were closer to the lake, like I am, temperatures stayed above freezing for the last 30 days!)
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6883
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 08:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

24F this morning along the banks of southeast Indiana's mighty Whitewater.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5987
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I predict the winner of the Vikings-Saints NFC Championship game will crush the Colts in the Super Bowl.
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2918
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It'll be the Saints. Brett Fart will throw a game losing interception in the 4th quarter.
 

Brewzz
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Username: Brewzz

Post Number: 756
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2009 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The wise ones are predicting snow here in the Texas hill country,for Thursday nite into Friday...I'll believe it when I see it....
Cheers,Brewzz
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 2194
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chumley is just bitter for the loss at home a few weeks back.

I have nothing to stand on other than I hope this year's team is different. Two less punks (Pacman and Tank) and one less Drama Queen give me hope for a better December. Well, that and the #2 scoring defense in the NFL. I could care less about yards as long as they continue to keep opposing offenses out of the end zone.

Rumor has it there was snow in Dallas this morning. I saw El Paso was getting a lot of it last night.

We've had one snow shower so far here, that was last Sunday. It's been warm here too, tomorrow looks to be the first day where we are actually below normal for the daily high in a while. That despite the fact we spent much of September and October below normal. November was quite warm.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 7313
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

28F at my house this AM. We're not going to have a low above freezing all week and highs are going to be in the low 40s. Around here, that's COLD!!!
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 2215
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it winter yet? It stopped raining down here so it must be getting close to being winter up north.

We are heading up the KC Mo. for winter break so I expect it will be cold up there. Will be stopping at Ft. Campbell to show the kids my old stomping grounds and take my son through the 101st museum.....Big band of brothers fan.

BTW, my son's last football game was a couple weeks ago. They had a real treat playing in 65F weather instead of the usual 90F (heat indices of 100 plus).

This is a great time of year!

Happy Holidays!

Doug
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2919
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 04:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

All this global warming is bringing a chance of snow to Georgia this Saturday...
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 2318
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I ran into my old oceanography prof recently and he told me to invest in a pellet stove. He claims that melting Greenland ice will cause the Gulf Stream to fail and that we can expect exceedingly cold, harsh winters for a while thereafter. London will be as cold as Halifax and Madrid will be as cold as Philly.

When I pressed him on just how likely that really was, he said, "No one has a freakin' clue. We can track all the changes which have happened, and yes they are real and huge, but no one knows where it's going."

That said, we've only seen one light frost here, some trees still have leaves, and today will be 58F. November was the warmest on record for the county.
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 2920
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You know, the stock market has a whole lot less moving parts than the Earth's environment, and people with just as much intelligence and focus as the scammers who are perpetuating the myth of climate change still cannot predict with any accuracy which direction the market will head with any certainty. And they are looking at all the facts and not dumping contradictory evidence. Just sayin'
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 2216
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Paul,
What your prof. is talking about is the end game to a warming event (event in this case is decades and most likely centuries). Our weather is driven by temperature diff between poles and the equator. That heat at the equator is transported poleward by the ocean currents. The ocean currents are driven by what is called a salt engine where the poles remove freshwater from the ocean by freezing creating water that has a high salt concentration. As the poles warm less fresh water is removed from the ocean at the poles and in fact polar caps start to melt and the process of slowing the ocean currents is accelerated. Once the currents are slowed to a point where the heat from the equator is not being transported poleward in sufficient amounts than we decend into a cooling period in the mid-latitudes (ice-age) the mid-latitudes get colder and colder until the ice caps start reforming and the salt engine gets started. The currents never stop functioning (or haven't yet). What global warming does to this natural process is to create shorter events and those events also have greater amplitude (colder colds and hotter hots). In the past 250 years there have been several mini-events of very short duration (10 to 25) years that are not part of the record prior to 250 or so years (by record I am referring to ice cores and such). In the 1700s to 1800s Southern New Jersey was a hot bed for ice lakes that supplied the ice houses of the Philly area. In the 1970s and early 80s those lakes again froze over during the winters (they generaly don't freeze anymore). I believe that they did so for a while in the 1940s but don't qoute me on that. The mini-ice age of the 1700s to 1800s lasted a good while but far less than any ice age prior to it. The late 70s to early 80s event may not be termed a mini-ice age because it was such a short event but it brought extreme weather to the world.

Climate change is not a myth....it has been going one long before man walked on this earth (and yes the earth is older that 5,000 years). Our influence on climate change (global warming) is real and it would be niave to think it isn't. Is it a doom and gloom situation...absolutely not. Can it be managed...sure. Will some species fail to adapt to climate changes (shorter events).....yes. Will one of those species be humans.....probably not.....but it may change how future generations live....but not our generation so who cares?

Doug
 

Mike G.
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Username: Mikeg

Post Number: 360
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice and cold here last night, low teens (F) with minus degree wind chill. And, a little snow. It's really giving me the lager brewing urge.

But brewing will increase my "carbon footprint", which would be wholly irresponsible, and possibly help to cool my climate (with the help of a few volcanoes) so I can brew lagers year round.

Hmm... I think I'll see if I can maximize my "carbon footprint". Maybe I'll start burning my papers and cardboard.

(Message edited by mikeg on December 03, 2009)
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 2217
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike,
Just roll with the punches....do ales on the warming events and switch to lagers when the events turn to mini-ice ages.....adaptation brother!

Doug
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5990
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hope Mike Huss is right.....my FF league's playoffs start this week, and with my No. 1 WR DeSean Jackson out with a concussion, I am forced to start Miles Austin in his place.

I am hoping the Giants beat the Cowboys 42-35, with Romo tossing 2-3 touchdowns to Miles Austin in a losing effort.
 

Hophead
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Username: Hophead

Post Number: 2888
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Romo tossing 2 to 3 tds, that's hilarious! lol

It was 45F this morning, brrr. ;)
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 2195
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

From Thanksgiving day:
T. Romo - 18/29 for 309, 2 TD's, 121.2 rating

One might be tempted to say "but it was the Raiders" to which I would reply Oakland has given up 10 passing TD's all season while the Giants have given up 18.

Maybe not so hilarious and certainly not out of the question.

(Message edited by mikhu on December 03, 2009)
 

Joe Rovito
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Username: Joez8

Post Number: 264
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doug: Thx for that semi-detailed explanation that we knaves don't get in the 5 sec. sound bite. Where do I go to learn more ?

Chum: I found myself in So. Cal the same week our Eagles were in town so I dropped $250 to take in the game and watched L.T. have a tremendous day. What's with all these concussions ? I keep thinkin' about Lindros and that ****ed up situation.

Re Dec.Weather back o.t. - it's pretty much rainin' all winter - that's what it does - but we are hopin for a break this weekend, and I'm brewin' a snocap in my new 5500w B.K.
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 2319
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 12:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doug, Yeah, that's pretty much what my old prof said when I pressed him on it. But his main point was this: We know that great big changes are coming and we know that the planet will heat up overall, but we have no real confidence in predictions of how that will affect any one region. Some will get hotter, others colder; some wetter, others drier; etc. Too many unknowns to be able to say, "New England will be X degrees warmer on average."

Before the doubters say, "See, we can't predict accurately, so it's all bogus and we can relax.", I'll add that my old prof was not at all reassured by this. Quite the contrary. Especially when he started talking about how our worst-case predictions ten years ago turned out to be only half bad enough. He said that the next 30 years will be more like a rollercoaster ride in the pitch dark: we'll have no idea what's coming until it does and even the knowledge that we will live through it won't protect us from moments of real fear.

Yesterday broke heat records for both New Haven and the region.
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 2218
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Paul,
I am never one for worst case predictions. It is always somewhere inbetween. These long term changes coupled with short term events are what makes it so hard to defend the effect of global warming by human interaction. It is much easiier to be a nay sayer because all you have to do is show how hard it is to measure these effects. Sort of like shooting down almost all of Einstein's theories of relativity. Just because you can not measures these effects directly does not mean they are not real. When Eistein was alive most of his theories could not be directly tested (some still can't) but since they were made with sound scientific principals scientist set out to prove them by direct and indirect measures (and did). If the scientific world had some sort of eco-political wing to it back then his theories may have never been proven to be right.

I think we are in for a roller coaster ride for the next 100 years or more no matter what we do today to reduce green house gases but that roller coaster will not mean palm trees in NJ or ice berges in South Carolina. But something like the past 10 hurricane season down here in Florida is likely to happen again in 5 or 10 years. The odds of taking a direct hit by a hurricane where I live are 1 in 25. I got hit by 2 within weeks of each other which comes out to a 1 in 625 chance of that happening. The following year I was hit by another hurricane directly which works out to be a 2 in 15,625 chance or 1 in roughly 7,813 chance.

Climate change is here, it is natural but we sure put our stamp on it and although it seems somewhat bad now the real price will be paid in the next generation. Changing our ways now will have a great impact on those generations but it is very hard for people to stop living for themselves in the here and now.

Joe, I got my bachelors degree in Meteorology at Rutgers back in 1990 (crap that is a long time ago) we actually discussed these sorts of things back then. We discussed the two worst case hurricane strikes of a cat 3 or high hurricane hitting New Orleans or running right up the Delware River. New Orleans played out like we thought but maybe a little less dramatic. It would not be pretty with the Delware River strike with storm surge running into a river that is lined with so many people and so much industry and chemical plants. I would say that since we had such a small class size at Rutgers (in the meteorology major) we were able to really dicuss what all those equations meant and how putting some variables on the outside ranges can cause real problems.

Doug
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 10991
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I recall reading as far back as the 1970s about a scenario where a Category 4 hurricane struck a direct hit on New Orleans. As Doug said, it was somewhat more dramatic but not terribly different from what actually occurred in 2005.

I agree that at present our understanding of global climate and meteorology are insufficient to predict precisely when or where major events are going to occur. But that hardly means it is pointless to anticipate that something is going to happen somewhere and to try to plan for and mitigate the effects.

We didin't have anything like the temperatures yesterday in Boston, where it was in the upper 60s F, but as I sit and look at my green Canadian back yard that actually could use mowing on December, 4 it's difficult not to think that things are not as they used to be.
 

Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 1637
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We had our first snowfall today in Oslo, and it already all but gone. A mild, mild winter thus far.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 5992
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Joe, I think the concussions are all being aggravated by the players having headaches due to to Andy Reid's play calling.

I have to admit, I kind of like global warming and football mixed in one thread.
 

Jeff Rankert
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Username: Hopfenundmalz

Post Number: 136
Registered: 06-2008
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We had snow on the grond in Milford, MI today, enough to cover the grass. The Grand Rapids, MI area is getting 16 inches of lake effect snow.

Only 3 hurricanes this year in the Atlantic, btw.
 

Brewzz
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Username: Brewzz

Post Number: 758
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had snow in Austin and Houston today.I actually saw a few flakes this morning at work...

Cheers,Brewzz
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 10996
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Snow in Houston? That's a rarity for early December. We still have yet to have a flake fall this season where I am in southern Ontario, although they keep saying it's only a matter of days or even less.
 

Mike G.
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Username: Mikeg

Post Number: 361
Registered: 04-2005
Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cyclical climate change is a reality, as others have said. The degree of Man's impact on it through CO2 emissions is questionable enough to me so as not to warrant knee-jerk CO2 regulations. Anthropogenic global warming is also apparently also questionable to a considerable number of climate scientists, witness: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f 5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9

One thing is certain to me about CO2: it makes for a good vehicle to advance the "need" for governmental expansion nationally and on an international level. So, for my part, I'll plan to "think globally, and brew locally", off-gassing CO2 and hefting a pint as a tribute to the politics of climate change.

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