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Roger Herpst
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Post Number: 6
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 09:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hiya

With regard to dispensing of used grain, how many people here compost? Should any special care be taken with regard to procedure?

My only concern is with any remaining sugar, but I don't imagine that there would be enough to pose a problem.

R
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

we tried just adding the spent grain directly to the compost, but for some reason I don't recall it didn't work out too well. Now, we put the spent grain in a separate pile and mix a few shovelsfull into a wheelbarrow of compost. My wife (the heavy duty organic gardener in the family)loves the stuff so much, that sometimes she asks me to brew just to get a new batch of spent grain.
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

David Woods
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My friend does it and he says you got to cover it or it will mold. Other wise, he also says it works great the next year on his tomato plants.

David
 

Craig Henry
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Compost it all! I have a bin to keep our the rodents. An active compost pile gets to 180F anyways. Works great. Keep turning the pile you'll have dirt in a less than a year if you keep it turned and balanced. Just don't add meat or bones. I even add all my old coffee grounds and filters. In no time they are gone leaving just dirt.
 

Doug Pescatore
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I compost just on the other side of my property line. No idea how it is actually working.

-Doug
 

Craig Henry
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Keep in mind you have to mix the green and brown to help balance things and promote decomposition. Keep turning it or it will stink and mold.
 

Busted Still Brewery
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I threw some spent grains on my garden and it molded like crazy!
 

J. Steinhauer
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Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I tried it once in Birmingham. It stunk up the whole neighborhood within 48 hours. I started doing it again here, and the local wildlife has it taken care of in 48 hours.
 

Mike Mayer
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 12:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I do 10 gallon batches, and compost every last bit of grain. My only problems are:
1. My 3 golden retrieivers break into the compost bin and eat the grain. This translates into regularity problems.
2. My wife get's mad when I dump the grain in when it's still hot. She likes it to be used as compost, but believes that the hot grain kills all the critters that do the composting. I've done it enough now to know it's not true, but when she's home, I just make sure everything is cold.
3. Skunks love grain....not a problem unless the dogs are out there with the skunk
 

Jeff Preston
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 04:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As long as you turn the pile you should be fine.
 

Joe Alf
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 04:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good one Doug'
I use it as a mulch,spread it real thin so it drys before it starts to stink.
 

Jonathan Koehler
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 05:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I compost the hot grain straight from the mashtun and it works great. The last time I brewed, I just dumped in the whole wet mess and forgot about it for a couple of days. When I opened the lid to the composter, it smelled like tennessee whiskey...not to mention the incredible number of worms wriggling around in the stuff. After I stirred it in to the rest of the pile, it seemed normal. I'll make sure to incorporate it into the old stuff from now on.
 

Joe DiBenedetti
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My father-in-law recycles his grain through his chickens. Chickens will eat anything---no muss, no fuss, no composting. A word of warning, when using chicken manure in the garden use it sparingly----It's hot!
 

Paul Edwards
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I dump spent grains and spent hops into our compost pile. We compost all our leaves in the fall, and add vegetable scraps, coffee grounds, egg shells, etc, from the kitchen every couple of days.

My wife has some sort of compost turning tool she uses on the pile every so often to keep things mixed up.
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I compost grain from my 1.5 BBL system. This means about 85 pounds at a time. I found out that I have to work it into the existing compost and sprinkle powdered lime on it or it will stink of carrion. It get so bad one time I could smell it inside a building about 100 feet away. I don't need a neighbor calling the police to complain about a dead body smell.

The lime and bury treatment seems to work fine.

Dan Listermann
 

Joseph Listan
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

>>I don't need a neighbor calling the police to complain about a dead body smell.

Why? Are you hiding a dead body?
 

Arthur
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Buy a heifer or a piglet and fatten it up for October slaughter. A cattle ranger friend of mine has a neighbhor whose cattle consume spent grain from the nearby Anheuser-Busch brewery. Weird...I wouldn't think there is much nutritional value left in spent grain.
 

davidw
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Protien and fiber.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Arthur, most brewery spent grain is recycled for animal feed. As davidw notes, it has quite a bit of protein and a lot of fiber. All of the brewpubs and microbreweries I know have a relationship with a local farmer or rancher.

(Message edited by BillPierce on February 24, 2005)
 

Pete Mazurowski
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

mmmmmmmm...just what most cows need. More FIBER!
 

Ken Anderson
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This might tie in with that clean-up poll thread, but sometimes I compost in my mashtun.
 

Adam W
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

News flash:

Spent grain doesn't really have that much protein. It's mostly fiber.

Cows have mutiple stomachs for a reason, they are basically a microorganism production line. All the "critters" in their stomachs break down the fiber into metabolizable products....
 

Joseph Listan
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And here's where it ends up when the cows are done with it:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050223/ap_on_fe_st/manur
e_pile
 

Roger Herpst
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 06:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I had a pile sitting in the yard for a rainy week, and added to it last weekend. When I went to mix in some fresh soil on tuesday, it was pretty stinky but not overwhelmingly so and a bit o mold.
I mixed the grain in with an equal amount of top soil and let it go.

Is the mold a problem for composting?
 

Craig Henry
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mold is part of composing.
 

Chumley
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Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I probably compost about a third of my grains. Too much grain overwhelms my wife's compost pile. Maybe I brew too much.

It is worthy to note that if you dump your grains in the trash, they will end up in a landfill. Adding compostable material to a landfill is a good thing (better than plastic, glass, metal, and other things that don't break down.)
 

Wayne Faris
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Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 03:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I guess I have to begin composting now. Our pigs went off to slaughter earlier this week. My problem is that February in Nebraska is a bad time to begin composting.
 

Paul Hayslett
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Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 04:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I compost it all. As others have said, it attracts skunks, which stink up the yard, and my dog, who then stinks up my office (ain't nothing worse than sharing a small office with a flatulent greyhound). And all by itself it stinks to high heaven if just dumped and left in a pile. But a good mixing into the rest of the pile solves all problems, plus turns the pile into a freaking worm factory. My wife's garden has never looked better.
 

Roger Herpst
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Posted on Friday, February 25, 2005 - 05:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Helpful thread. Thanks everybody. I'm going down to the bait shop this weekend for bait and compost worms, so I should be getting some nice dirt this year. All the weird tangents that come up in this hobby are pretty amazing...

R