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Heath
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Username: Frizedo

Post Number: 256
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Soo, Im considering making a plate filter/carbonater. This purely for guests, and lack of time to clarify the right way. In 10 years of doing this Ive never gone this route and am quite ignorant to the different filter availibly on the market. Heres a couple Ive been looking at was curious if anyones used them and their results. I dont want to hear about geletin or the striping of flavors, so if this is your experience dont bother...Im well aware of this so this advice will only get a PTA drawing..lol just kidding.

http://www.morebeer.com/product.html?product_id=5758

http://www.morebeer.com/product.html?product_id=16769

Heath
 

robert rulmyr
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Post Number: 632
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How in debt are you to these 'guests'? My guests all love my beer, even when only a few weeks out of the primary and still cloudy.

I know this doesn't help you, but sometimes we all feel the need to comment.
 

Brandon Dachel
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Post Number: 1619
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gelatin
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 918
Registered: 04-2003
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Heath,

Filtering is not the way...

Learn to cold condition and all will be well...

-Scott
 

Heath
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Username: Frizedo

Post Number: 259
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

maybe I should included the "jerk" filtration in my posts, wait than my post wouldnt have been seen..dammit "screw you guys Im going home!!"

Come on now guys Ive got inlaws coming. If you know anthing about the qualities of westchester people you'd feel my pain. They're twice the A holes I am. By all rights I should serve them cloudy beer, alas this whole thing is forced by my wife. Helpa brother out..

Heath
 

Heath
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Post Number: 260
Registered: 09-2004
Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sry scott I dont have the time... Its what I usually do. Did you skimm over my post and just read "plate filter". Ill repeat myself and say I dont do this, nor is it going to be my usual procedure. If you havent used it dont post I could care less about you nazi procedures at this point..

Heath
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 919
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

SCREW WESTCHESTER!

AND SCREW THE STUPID SAWMILL PARKWAY TOO!!!

SCREW METRO NORTH ALSO!!!

Well Heath... I grew up in the lower east side of Manhattan and I am by far more of an a-hole then you bridge and tunnelers!

If you must go the filter route then go by a whole house filter and the fittings to make it work on Cornies...

It will save you some face and some scratch.

Especially when you figure out that filtering is silly
 

Heath
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Post Number: 261
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

duh... Wait... Dewy duh...

Heath
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh and I have used more than just those two types of filters...

I also have a nice commercial plate filter that came with my 10bbl system.

-Scott
 

Heath
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

k than, so basicly your afraid of recomending something than..u puss, just man up and gimme something you cow pie..

Heath
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 921
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually,

That $39 dilio cartridge filter is just a whole house filter and will work just fine...

You will find that it strips some body, hop flavor and a couple of other things...

I guess that if I was still entering comps on a regular basis I may filter but for just drinking and sharing I do not see the point

-Scott

(Message edited by skotrat on August 07, 2005)
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"k than, so basicly your afraid of recomending something than..u puss, just man up and gimme something you cow pie.."

I just did BITCH!

Now shush up and get ready for that big Tuesday night Kennys Castaways gig!
 

Heath
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Post Number: 263
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Scott I want your baby in my dogs belly..

thx bro

Heath
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 923
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whatever you do...

Do not buy the PAD filter for beer...

It is Listermann!

-Scott
 

Skotrat
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Post Number: 924
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Scott I want your baby in my dogs belly"

That reminds me of a D12 lyric...
 

Heath
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Post Number: 264
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 08:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

eww you listen to that crap, If you got my email I changed my mind about the visit.

Ol ralph will make him put that recchad sausage in his mouth again, here you want it again, annnnnd one more agin..

Heath
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Scott, still not over it yet?

Listermann
Listermann Mfg.,Co. www.listermann.com

 

Brandon Dachel
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 01:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

> Helpa brother out..

Buy a keg of bud light. Buy a sanke coupler. Transfer the bud light from the keg to some cornies. Call it your own. Problem solved.

When my inlaws visit the cloudiness of my homebrew is the last freaking thing I would even think about. Why is that even slightly important???
 

Heath
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 01:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Howdy Mr Duche'l, I hope to meet you some day..

Heath
 

Kevin Davis
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Post Number: 324
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 01:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey PTA,
Can you draw us some Sesame Street characters?
Kevin

(Message edited by ktdavis98 on August 08, 2005)
 

Ken Anderson
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 03:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Scott, why would you worry about clarity in a comp? I thought clarity didn't account for much. Wrong?
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 03:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Although it is not sposed to count many judges view a hazy beer as a bad beer by just seeing it...
 

Bernardo
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 03:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hahahaha. Bridge and tunnel. Might as well move to Jersey for the respect you are getting.

Give the guests a shot of yeast, and em if they can't take the homebrew!
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 04:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Bernardo!

What Exit???
 

Bernardo
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 04:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

turnpike or parkway, skot?
 

Bernardo
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 04:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's like anything else at a competition. The judges are so hard up to prove that they know their :

haze = infection
slight overcarb = infection
diacetyl = infection
sour mash = infection
tannins = infection
too dark = infection
too light = infection
too malty = infection
too hoppy = infection
out of style = infection

blah, blah, blah.
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Man oh man was Bernardo ON THE JUICE last night...
 

Bill Freeman/ER
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Heath, you still use the e-mail listed in your profile?
Bill Freeman aka Elder Rat
KP Brewery - home of "the perfesser"
Birmingham, AL
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 02:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now ER...

You leave that nice boy alone
 

Bill Freeman/ER
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Skot, I filter for the same reasons you filtered for.......clarity, sharpness/crispness. I was only gonna tell him that I have found that adding 8-10% more base malt and 4-6% more hops - particularly in the aroma category - makes up for what may be stripped by filtering.

I do not filter all beers. That kolsch at Ratfest WAS filtered and I believe you said that it was the first keg to blow.

Use the coarse filter pad - 2-7 microns. Wet the edges with Everclear or some other ETOH rather than trying to sanitize them any other way. Tighten the bolts down with pliers and use no more than 10-12 psi or you run the risk of cracking one of the plates. The beer to be filtered should be almost clear to start with rather than trying to take out large amounts of yeast sludge. Use the plates for one 5 gallon keg only. The lumpy side of the plates goes to the inside.

Most commercial breweries filter their beers unless what they are making is supposed to have yeast suspended in it or it is bottle conditioned. A lot of people believe clarity in what they drink is an asset...particularly those who are not privy to the ins and outs of homebrewing. Presentation is a large part of how a beer is percieved at a comp or with picky relatives.

Also, Northern Brewer has that plate rig for $48.

If that is "messing" with that nice boy...so be it... you're gettin' as bad as I am......
Bill Freeman aka Elder Rat
KP Brewery - home of "the perfesser"
Birmingham, AL
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That kolsch at Ratfest WAS filtered and I believe you said that it was the first keg to blow.

Yes...

It was also the first beer at the top of the stairs on a 90f day...

It was a great beer indeed though... I think that I prefered the Scharwz beer over it but I love Schwarz beers!
 

Bill Freeman/ER
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Schwarz is a variation on the "Long Shot" winner from several years ago.
Bill Freeman aka Elder Rat
KP Brewery - home of "the perfesser"
Birmingham, AL
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Bill...

Can you post the recipe for that Schwarz beer and also maybe upload the .rec file to my ProMash Archives???

Thanks man...
 

Bill Freeman/ER
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 04:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Black Lager

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal): 11.00 Wort Size (Gal): 11.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 22.53
Anticipated OG: 1.057 Plato: 14.01
Anticipated SRM: 20.6
Anticipated IBU: 37.2
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Tinseth
Tinseth Concentration Factor: 1.30

Additional Utilization Used For First Wort Hops: 5 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
66.6 15.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) Great Britain 1.038 3
20.0 4.50 lbs. Munich Malt Germany 1.037 8
8.9 2.00 lbs. Caramel Pils Malt Belgium 1.034 2
3.1 0.69 lbs. Chocolate Malt America 1.029 350
1.5 0.34 lbs. Black Patent Malt America 1.028 525

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.50 oz. Nugget Whole 13.00 10.8 60 min.
1.00 oz. Hallertauer Whole 4.00 7.0 First WH
4.00 oz. Hallertauer Mittelfruh Whole 4.50 18.1 20 min.
1.00 oz. Hallertauer Whole 4.00 1.3 5 min.


Yeast
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WYeast 2124 Bohemian Lager


Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Multi Step

Grain Lbs: 22.53
Water Qts: 37.60 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal: 9.40 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.67 - Before Additional Infusions

Acid Rest Temp : 0 Time: 0
Protein Rest Temp : 0 Time: 0
Intermediate Rest Temp : 148 Time: 50
Saccharification Rest Temp : 156 Time: 25
Mash-out Rest Temp : 165 Time: 15
Sparge Temp : 170 Time: 45


Total Mash Volume Gal: 11.20 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.
Bill Freeman aka Elder Rat
KP Brewery - home of "the perfesser"
Birmingham, AL
 

Skotrat
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks Bill...
 

Bill Freeman/ER
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Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But Scott, there is a kicker. The recipe I posted above is the safe and sane one.

If you go back and look at the specifics from the "Long Skot" competition, You will find that the base grain bill had 6 more #s of pale in it which brings the SG up to around 1.070. The .070 beer is the one I brought to Fest. Take your pick and let me know which you want to post to the Rat Recipe file.

The temp changes could be modified for an easier brewing session, but when I first brewed this beer, "the perfesser" was newly upgraded and I just had to play with the step mashing.
Bill Freeman aka Elder Rat
KP Brewery - home of "the perfesser"
Birmingham, AL