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ahancbrew1
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Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I may be buying a chest freezer in the next few months. I donít plan to ferment in it, just serve my homebrew from Cornies.
1) Are there any models you recommend? How many kegs do they hold?
2) Other that adding an auxiliary thermostat, are there any upgrades I would need to make?
3) Any maintenance concerns compared to a refrigerator?
4) Would it be OK to leave it outside on my balcony?

Thanks,
Andy
 

Chris Vejnovich
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Hey Andy,

1) I have taken the advice of some Refridgerator maintenance guys in the local area and with my chest freezer. They say buy amana or sears if you buy new. Or, don't pay over 100 bucks if you buy used. The general feeling amoung the multiple maintenance personel is that the compressors are not built very good these days(present compressors are built for effeciency and not longevity).

2) Build a collar.

3) Not that I know of. Although I am noticing more condensation which I will need to wipe out every couple of weeks.

4) I wouldn't leave anything out on a balcony. But I may just be paranoid, I have had enough things stolen and or vandilized in my day.
 

Brandon Dachel
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I second Chris' advice. Mine is from sears and I build a collar. The only downside I've run into was that condensation builds up inside and the seams inside began to show rust. I ended up cleaing off the rust and then caulking them.
 

Bill Pierce
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Condensation can be a problem, especially in humid weather. As Brandon says, caulk the inner seams. Also keep a pan of desiccant such as DampRid in the bottom of the freezer and periodically dry out the desiccant in a warm oven.
 

Scott Manning
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I recently bought a sears freezer (model escapes me at this point but i think it is the 12.8 cu ft one. I can fit 4 slimline 1/4 bbls and 2- 3 gal cornies or 8 -5 gal cornies along with the 2 - 3 gal cornies. building a collar this weekend for it. I use a digital themperature controller and do get condensation inside - That being said we haven't had a day under 90% humidity in over a month so that could be a reason for it. Not to take over your post - but I was planning on building the collar out of melamine lining it with rigid insulation. does anyone see an issue with that?
 

Chris Vejnovich
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I was thinking about 3/4" MDF or 3/4" pine veneer board with 1x2" framing to make sure there is a good seal. Not sure of the cost quite yet though. I will isulate with pink insulation foam.
 

Jim Keaveney
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i bought a kenmore at sears scratch and dent a few years back. i used 2x8 pressure treated wood and just attached the lid brakets to the wood. gave me a nice height boost which allows me to put kegs or carboys on the shelf over the condenser. in all, i can fit 10 cornies. i just put down some foam insulation strips. the freezer does not run much except times like now when i am lagering a 32F and it is in the upper 90s. when i turn it back up to the 40s it will not run very often.

the main disadvantage of having it so tall is that it is tough to reach the bottom (to clean or if i drop something...) and forget about putting a full 1/2 keg in there unless you rig up a pulley system...
 

Hophead
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Figure out what size you think you want, then spend another $50 and get the next bigger model! You won't regret it. Caulking is a great idea, and putting outside is a bad idea... My $0.02.
 

Brandon Dachel
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I ended up using cedar for the collar. It's natural resistance to rot was the reason.
 

GILBY
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If you by a chest freezer, make sure you have an idiot-proof way to secure the temp controller probe.

I've got this *friend* who once froze 4 kegs (luckily they were all half-empty and didn't damage them) because *his* wife gave the temp probe line a good tug while she was cleaning around the freezer. This repositioned the probe flat against the wooden collar which pretty much left the freezer running nonstop.
 

don price
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I use a couple of computer fans to stir up the air even out the hot/cold spots. I only use mine for fermentation of ales (usually at 58-62 F) so it may not matter as much when serving closer to 40 F or below.

Here's a big vote for Damp Rid. No condensation to speak of though we have plenty of humidity down here in Tampa.

I don't think the balcony is a big deal if you keep it out of the rain, direct sun, and freezing temperatures. Mine gets baked in the garage.

Don
 

Heath
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Im with Dan, I use to keep mine in the mudd room in my house, but I found that a consistate shady spot outside during the summer helped keep the electric bill down. Although Im in country and dont have neighbors that will "help themselves". Or pesky kids for that matter. My home was built in the 1850's and the previous owners as well as myself have not added proper insulation to the space I can really only place the fridge. I have a detached garage that I built a "so called bar" but it still has the Ol' tar wraped electric which I plan to replace this winter.

Heath
 

Pittman
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I have the sears model for 2 yrs, never chalked it and not had rust problem. The model I have seems to have a plastic coating that seals the whole inside, after it was assembled. I will agree get plenty of condensation being in hawaii but between DampRid and towel on bottom able to control condensation, with the exception of side. Other helpful hint is I installed a little pc muffen fan to keep air circulating and keep temps more constant.
 

Heath
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Where in HI Pitt, I use to brew and live on Lanai..
 

Dan Listermann
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Only somewhat of topic, I need to replace the freezer we use to store hops for kits. It seems to have a short if you touch just the right things in th wrong way. It is a 16 foot upright. I suppose I need to get a bigger chest. I figure that with a chest, I can always convert it to a brew cooler if that is ever necessary.

Dan
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Pittman
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In Aiea, about two blocks from the old purnio brewery. Funny thing is I found the water hear better for browns and porters than lighter like the old purino stuff. So you understand why you have to brew here, no other stuff worth while to drink.
 

ahancbrew1
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Thanks for al the responses.
Is a collar necessary? I would rather not make one if I donít have to. Living in an apartment I canít do a lot of building, but making a collar doesnít sound like much work. Does anyone have some plans I can look at?

The only place in the Apartment I plan to move into for my refrigerator and the chest freezer would be in the spare bedroom or on the 2nd floor balcony. The bedroom has hardwood floors. What should I place on the floor underneath the freezer to protect the floor?

Andy
 

Colby Enck
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Can DampRid really be dried and re-used?
 

Connie
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Aiea is across from the Aloha Stadium and over looks Pearl. I'll be at there in a few weeks (swap meet) and the Aloha festival both in Waikiki and downtown area.
Any homebrew events happening September 6-20?
 

Mike Huss
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Andy, Dan Schultz did a good job detaling how he built his collar.
 

Bill Pierce
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The active ingredient in DampRid is anhydrous calcium chloride, very commonly used as a desiccant. It can be used repeatedly by drying out the CaCl2 in a warm (150 F) oven for a couple of hours.
 

Peter Roman
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Question: Why do you guys prefer collars over towers? I am getting a free chest freezer in september from a friend and plan on making that my main kegerator. Why should I go with a collar and not a tower?

Thanks,
Peter 'pays for nothing' Roman

P.S. Post 777! I bet today will be a lucky day...
 

Connie
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think of opening the lid and where the tower will strike the wall. With a collar you can install several taps thru the collar, much cheaper and it looks great...you may have guessed I have a chest freezer with a collar.
 

Drew Pattison
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Andy,
I have moved with my freezer many times. The last place I lived in actually had softwood floors. Not sure who the moron was that thought that was a good idea for a rental property but, needless to say, they got scuffed up pretty quick. When I moved out I noticed 4 depressions where the feet of the freezer where. It sat in the same place for about a year and I guess the weight of freezer and beer dented the floor.

In my current house I bought a rubber mat to put under it. It helps with spills and protected the hardwood floor it was originally on (itís now in the basement on cement floor so not a big deal anymore).

Hope that helps...
 

Jim Keaveney
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i am with connie. i have five taps and could easily add 5 more if i wanted. it is very easy and you know you are not drilling thru anything that matters. and as i mentioned, the extra height gave me room for 2 more kegs.
 

GILBY
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Peter,

I keep my kegerator up against a half-wall (waist high), so I can open the lid with no problems. Most people don't have that option and opt for the collar. My wife also said that putting faucets through a collar was "ugly" so she didn't object to the extra cost of the tower.

That being said, I eventually added a collar so I could use the area over the condenser.
 

Heath
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Brewing on lanai sucked, Im asuming youve been there. If any of you ever have problems getting supplies, and a long drive is all it took, try taking a ferry, and a plane just to get grain. Yea it sound fun, but ho it cost a lot to get dakine der bra..

Heath
 

Astro
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Here's another vote for the collar. I built mine out of cedar 2x4s to match flush with the outside walls of the freezer. I then screwed cedar 1x8s to the outside of the 2x4s. This way it slides onto the freezer and fits very securely, without having to drill any holes or screw it to the freezer walls. If I ever want the freezer back, all I have to do is pull off the collar and re-attach the lid and my freezer is like new again, with no modifications or holes.

Plus, as others have said, the collar gave me the room to put a couple of kegs on the compressor hump. I also recommend damp rid. Keeps it very dry (granted, I'm in the NM desert, not Florida or Hawaii...)
 

Connie
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Heath, I've always thought you really had to be dedicated to homebrew in Hawaii. AFAIK, the only place to buy is the one shop in Honolulu and they were expensive...there was a place down at Wards Warehouse area, but last year they had discontinued carrying supplies.
Haven't been to lanai.
 

Heath
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Yea hence the ferry and plane...I dont live there anymore , thank goodness. I wouldnt even bother going to lanai unless you like hunting moflan sheep and drinking coors light. I do miss maui though...there layed the best melae (did I spell that right?) I had ever been to. 311 , nofx, breeders(whom didnt show) and a pathetic attempt by the wu tang clan to entertain. Speaking of the breeders, here in albany the pixies played an acoustic set at the egg, twisted my ankle..

Heath
 

Pittman
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Your right not much of a brewing place hawaii. Even the beer carried at stores is very disappointing. I would sure bring some of yours when visiting. There is a Blue moon here now, but thats about it. Any homebrew events happening September 6-20? I really doubt it, if there was I am sure be disappointing. Basically to learn to brew in Hawaii just have to read, involve in chats, and just trying. Plus equipment / supplies cost like 3 times the normal cost. But as we all know if you want good beer, you will get it done someway.
 

Connie
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On one of our visits we managed to join the local "HOPS" homebrew club on a visit to the Ali'i Brewing Company...open taps, home made pretzels and brats, great get together, decent beer. Yeah, I know the Ali'i Brewery is no more.
Been to Brew Moon and enjoyed the early pu-pus
on the lanai..the beers were...OK.
 

Pittman
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Funny why you said beers ok, thought the same and my son said dad yours are lot better than these. One of those precious moments, hehe. I dropped hops a few emails never heard back from them so not sure if they even are around anymore.
 

Connie
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I tried to re-establish my link with HOPS, and failed...I'll drop by Hawaiian Homebrew Supply over on Ilaniwai St. and see if they're still active.
Nice to see your son recognizes good beer.
 

Pittman
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Hawaiian Homebrew Supply owner no me well. Not to many in this area that order bags full. But even now they are only open sat and sun from 10am to 5 pm. This kind of make it hard to get supplies, but what else can you do, when only one. Basically that the reason why I learned to harvest yeast from commerical beers, and to use adjents if it disappears someday. I would rank Hawaii the lowest of all states for homebrew. Kind of funny to being such a visitor state, but I think local and state laws strike against any growth of microbrewers. With the exception of shipping cost that could be lowered by bulk hawaii great brewing place, just look at the water analyzer. Poltics mess up another thing, and Hawaii never known to be businiess friendly state. Kona brewing had a great article on this to.
 

Connie
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Over the years I've seen the ownership of Hawaiian Homebrew Supply change hands..seems like yearly. Thanks for the tip on the business hours. I always drop by at least once while there and never remember their hours. We go to the "peoples produce markets" at local parks and one is over that way, works out well.
Several years ago we visited another island and toured a small brewery, might have been Kona Brewery. Seems like a small operation where the owner's son was the brewer, but I could be wrong. It's been a few years.
I met the head brewer of Sam Choy's at the HBS, so I've been there and thought it was better than Brew Moon's...and the food was good.
 

Brad Petit
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To avoid problems with your temperature probe, such as those described above, I recommend filling a beer bottle with water and sticking the probe in there. Put the bottle on the compressor shelf and secure the mouth with some tin foil. This will allow you to better regulate the temperature of your beer, rather than just the air in the freezer.
 

Pittman
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Here is the link to the hawaii home brew shop. They have moved since you might of last been here. Stopped there today to pick up a bag of grains, asked about the hops club. He said it is still going and that they had brewed up 4 batches on the north shore this past week.
http://www.hawaiihomebrew.com

(Message edited by brewmaster808 on August 15, 2005)
 

Bill Pierce
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Refrigerator temperature controllers are designed to measure the temperature of the air, not liquid. The controller has a setback (which sometimes can be changed) to prevent the compressor from cycling too often. The mass of the beer will allow the temperature to stay quite even (within about 1 degree F) despite changes in the temperature of the ambient air.
 

Dan Listermann
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A controller probe in a liquid would cause the compressor to stay on longer and come on less frequently. All in all, it would probably work out to be the same except that the temperature swings would be greater. Whether or not this matters is a good question.

Dan


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Connie
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Hey Pittman, thank you for the link. I'll swing by when we're over that way.