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Scott Morales
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Username: Smutty

Post Number: 70
Registered: 09-2005
Posted From: 208.252.62.130
Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey guys,

It's been really tough to find time lately, so it's going to be difficult for me to rack a brew out of primary into a secondary for about a week. At that point the beer would have been in primary for about 2.5 - 3 weeks. This is the same beer that I cited in this thread:
http://hbd.org/discus/messages/1/34658.html?1137042238
Does anyone think this will have a detrimental affect?

TIA
Scott
 

davidw
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Post Number: 1393
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If you read my post in that thread I mentioned an IPA that I just kegged that had been in the primary for 35 days. It is only slightly carb'ed (as of last night) and tastes excellent.

I would say skip the secondary and rack directly into the keg.

Your beer should be fine.
 

Scott Morales
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Post Number: 71
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, David I saw your post, but your OG was much higher than mine so I wasn't sure if you kept it in there for 35 days b/c yours needed that amount of time for the yeast to do its job completely.

I never brewed with an OG that high....yet;0)

Scott
 

Doug Pescatore
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No worries
 

davidw
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Post Number: 1394
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My altbiers typically have an OG of 50-55 and it is not unusual for me to leave them in the primary 2-3 weeks.
 

John Ferens
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Post Number: 61
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What is it that "they" say? Oh yeah, "Relax and Have a Home Brew" - all is well. I and many others often do the equivalent of this, and for longer periods of time, whenever we ferment in a conical.

Cheers!
John.
 

Ken Anderson
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Post Number: 1325
Registered: 11-2002
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's funny how different brewing forums have different beliefs.

There is a thread on the green board where a professional brewer stated that autolysis will occur in two weeks. I posted my raised eyebrow, but received only one response, and that was in defense of the autolysis comment. So apparently the consensus there is that autolysis does indeed occur in two weeks. Um, myself, I don't agree with that.

http://www.brewboard.com/index.php?showtopic=49044&hl=
Incidently, it's a very nice post by the OP.

Ken
 

Doug Pescatore
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The green board gives me chest pains for more reasons that the eye burning colors.
 

Michael
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Post Number: 754
Registered: 03-2002
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 04:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Never had a problem with 3 weeks...haven't gone much past that time in primary, however.

You will be fine. Rack it, carbonate it and enjoy it.
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 4394
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Three weeks--no problem. Now three months--maybe, and even then it would depend on the O.G. High gravity beers are almost immune to autolysis.

I have a healthy skepticism for the information on the green board, as well as in other places. After all, I read on the Internet that it was invented by Al Gore (yes, I voted for him), and also that Osama bin Laden is living in Israel. All of it must be true.

(Message edited by BillPierce on January 12, 2006)
 

Ken Anderson
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Oh great. You mentioned bin Laden. Now the NSA's sooper snooper snoftware will be all over us. Keep it clean, fellas.
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I seldom go less than 3 weeks in primary these days.

As to the greenboard, I've about given up on it....in spite of the fact that I just made a post agreeing with Ken!

(Message edited by denny on January 12, 2006)
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Chet Nunan
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I usually go two weeks in primary, then keg. Not unusual to go three weeks, haven't noticed any problems.

And I like the greenboard!
 

Joakim Ruud
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Post Number: 116
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've never had a single beer in secondary fermentation. Always straight from primary to bottles, and quite often a whole month in primary. I've never had a single occurrence of autolysis. I've a feeling that the danger is overstated :-)

(Drinking too much today, cause my gal moved out yesterday. Sigh.)
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My condolences, Joakim. You probably need a little humor: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/alexpetty/beerbett.htm

And in the immortal words of Norm Peterson: "Women! Can't live with 'em. Pass the beer nuts."
 

George Schmidt
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 05:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In the last year, I've only moved one beer off primary yeast earlier than three weeks. It was an extract Am wheat that I made (w/ Nott) to fill a tap for my Christmas party and I was in a hurry. My punishment for messing with it was diacetyl. Ales or lagers, my SOP is three week primary (sometimes four weeks) and straight to keg to force carb (ale) or lager.

I still like the green board because there are a lot of electric brewers there. I'm definately becoming more selective in the posts I read, though. Northern Brewer's board is REALLY dragging right now, not sure why, and I don't have much patience for it. Suprisingly, I find myself enjoying MoreBeer ATM, which has been my least favorite in the past. I don't know, these things go in cycles, I guess.
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ~~Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
 

damon
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Post Number: 183
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 06:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And I've even gone 4 and 5 weeks in primary, with the carboy kept at or above 80F the entire time - no autolysis whatsoever. Oh the heresy! (also known as saison brewing)
 

Scott Morales
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 06:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My concern is justifiably assuaged. Thanks all.
 

Mike A.
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've got an oatmeal stout and RyePA going on 5 and 6 weeks. Time to dry bean and dry hop those this weekend.
 

Ken Anderson
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Post Number: 1332
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Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Uh oh Denny. Better go back and visit that thread on the green board. Careful now.
 

Catt22
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Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 02:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I kept a RyePa in the primary for nearly three months. Mostly because I wasn't at all impressed with the samples I tasted. I put it in a dark corner of my basement and more or less forgot about it. I decided to keg and carb it regardless and that turned out to be a good decision. Wound up entering it in a competition and it won a second place silver! No autolysis whatsoever and it the long primary actually seemed to improve the flavor. Who knows though, maybe it would have gotten a first place if the primary had been shorter.
 

Joakim Ruud
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Bill, thx. That helped :-)
 

Mike A.
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Good to know Catt22, I was kind of thinking it might be good to mellow some of the rye spicyness in primary and then dry hop.

Hey, I just found out I can view the greenboard in black text and white background by changing the broswer settings, might make it a little more bareable.
 

Tim Polster
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Greg Noonan was the brewer/guest who stated during a Sunday evening chat not to leave the beer on the yeast for more than 10 days.

I read this in the chat transcript.

I do the primary to keg method and have not noticed any taste differences with varying primary lengths.

You do you trust?

Pro brewers have a lot more to lose and would want to error on the side of caution more than homebrewers.

(Message edited by Bassman on January 17, 2006)
 

Aaron Meyer
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I seem to remember that yeast autolysis is more of a problem for lager yeast than for ale yeast.

Personally I rarely if ever secondary my beer, I just leave it to settle out in the primary then rack it to the keg to carbonate and condition.

I've read that you want to get a lager off the cake as soon as the primary is completed to keep from getting the sulfurous / rubber components.
 

Hophead
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Horse hockey.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've said it elsewhere. Greg Noonan is an excellent brewer, and New Brewing Lager Beer is still the standard reference on lager brewing for homebrewers and small craft brewers. However, Noonan is something of a fuddy-duddy when it comes to technique. There are also occasional (usually minor) errors in his book. Many brewers, both homebrew and commercial, keep the beer on the yeast for far longer than 10 days without detrimental effects.

I suspect Noonan has greatly contributed to the myth that autolysis is a serious risk. It can and does happen, but it would be a far stretch to suspect a problem after only three weeks for the overwhelming majority of beers.
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Who do you trust??? YOURSELF!!!! Try it both ways and make up your own mind!
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

George Schmidt
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There you go with that Libertarian streak again, Denny.

As for Noonan, like Bill says, he has a commercial slant. Commercial fermenters hold a lot more beer (duh). Consequently, the liquid pressure on the yeast at the bottom of those tanks is quite a bit higher than our yeasts experience at the bottom of a 5 gal carboy. I'm not saying it's THE reason for the difference, but it might be A reason.

(Message edited by gschmidt on January 17, 2006)
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ~~Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Libertarian??? Nah, that's good ol' HIPPIE philosophy!!! Of course, I view Libertarians as Republican hippies....
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.