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PaulK
Intermediate Member
Username: Paulk
Post Number: 497
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 68.84.198.40
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 02:27 pm: | 
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Well, hopefully this is temporary, but it does suck for now. http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060810-073023-1608r |
Hophead
Senior Member
Username: Hophead
Post Number: 2242
Registered: 03-2002
Posted From: 167.4.1.38
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 05:22 pm: |
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No beer I can understand, but no toothpaste or shampoo, etc, is ridiculous; but then, this probably heads to world expressions... |
Tom Gardner
Advanced Member
Username: Tom
Post Number: 832
Registered: 01-2001
Posted From: 162.119.240.105
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:23 pm: |
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I've always been amazed that you could bring a case of beer on board, but not fingernail clippers. |
Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce
Post Number: 5791
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 24.57.224.243
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:38 pm: |
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I've always thought measures such as this (no pocket knives or nail clippers after 9/11), checking passengers' shoes after the foiled "shoe bomber", and now the ban on carry-on liquids after the alleged British bomb plot) are a bit like locking the barn after the horse gets out. However, it may be necessary to deter "copycats" who lack the imagination to develop their own original schemes.
Anyway, it was becoming more and more difficult to carry beer on board, especially homebrew. I'm glad I fly very seldom these days. It's expensive, anything but quick for all but long trips and extremely inconvenient. No wonder the airlines are going broke. |
Ted Grudzinski
Member
Username: Tgrudzin
Post Number: 117
Registered: 08-2003
Posted From: 208.250.29.8
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:45 pm: |
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I wonder what the duty free shops will be selling? All you'd want to buy from them is liquor and prefume products. I say just bring the homebrew and be'forced' to drink while waitng in that 1-2 hour line. |
Mike Rotert
New Member
Username: Mike_rotert
Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2006
Posted From: 216.160.130.214
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:48 pm: |
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Just pack it in your checked luggage. You know the luggage handlers will treat it with kid gloves. And if they don't, its no big deal when your khakis smell like stale beer. Its just another day in the life of a home brewer |
Steve Funk
Member
Username: Tundra45
Post Number: 203
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 209.216.191.251
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 06:58 pm: |
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I like your attitude Mike. I always slip some exotic beer into my checked bag when traveling. Clothing makes dandy packing material. |
Mike Rotert
New Member
Username: Mike_rotert
Post Number: 5
Registered: 04-2006
Posted From: 216.160.130.214
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 07:06 pm: |
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Just try to keep the beer on the underwear side of your suit case. Beer is a bitch to get out of a sportscoat. Don't ask how I know this. |
Graham Cox
Advanced Member
Username: T2driver
Post Number: 638
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.244.192.174
| | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 10:40 pm: |
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A longneck fits very nicely in a size 10 (US) shoe, which in turn serves as very effective padding. I (used to) frequently transport bottles of homebrew to trade with a buddy of mine. What a joy it is dealing with the knee-jerk (with the emphasis on "jerk") TSA on a daily basis.
I'm sorry, I'm veering off-topic a little here, but how f'ing stupid is it to make a middle-aged white woman named Betty Smith or Edith Jones travelling from Boise to Chicago throw away her shampoo and makeup? Why is it that consistently, time after time, the problem is with young Muslim men of Middle Eastern descent, yet 60-year-old Bert Davis and 16-year-old Britney Addison are treated like criminals in the interest of "political correctness" or "racial profiling" or simply not offending anyone?
I, for one, am mightily offended when some ••••••• tries to blow up a planeload of innocent passengers. I really don't give a damn what they think.
(/rant) |
Ric Heinz
Intermediate Member
Username: Rheinz
Post Number: 406
Registered: 01-2004
Posted From: 66.142.154.104
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 12:06 am: |
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Well said Graham.
Bill, maybe someone will develope an explosive cloth and we will have to remove all of our cloths. We'd have to wear Tyvek overalls issued by the TSA!!!
On topic, I just usually put a six pack of bottles into my soft sided bag with dirty cloths around it. I have peobably done at least a dozen six packs this way with only two broken bottles (same trip). Of course, single bottles would be more difficult. Guess I won't be using my soft carry-on cooler any more.
Ric
Flatfender Brewing, NW Houston
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Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann
Post Number: 3230
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.59.245
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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"Bill, maybe someone will develope an explosive cloth and we will have to remove all of our cloths. We'd have to wear Tyvek overalls issued by the TSA!!! "
I predict that a day will come where you will go to a locker room, have to strip naked and be issued disposable paper coveralls for the flight. Imagine the marketing opportunity for the advertizing space.
" I'm glad I fly very seldom these days. It's expensive, anything but quick for all but long trips and extremely inconvenient. No wonder the airlines are going broke."
Who is going to put up with the bother and time to fly on any trip that is not very distant. Flying from Cincy to Cleveland is now marginal from a time and cost basis, especially if you have to rent a car.
Dan
(Message edited by listermann on August 11, 2006)
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Ric Heinz
Intermediate Member
Username: Rheinz
Post Number: 408
Registered: 01-2004
Posted From: 66.142.154.104
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 12:38 am: |
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"LISTERMAN MANUFACTURING"
Ric
Flatfender Brewing, NW Houston
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political brewer
New Member
Username: Brewer_b_hip
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 66.91.227.117
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 01:40 am: |
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"the problem is with young Muslim men of Middle Eastern descent"
not to irreparably veer into worldly expressions land, but that sounds an awful (pun intended) lot like her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkryhxuvtWc |
Graham Cox
Advanced Member
Username: T2driver
Post Number: 640
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.244.192.174
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 02:20 am: |
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So what? She's right.
You can lump me with Coulter, Limbaugh, Bush (either one), Reagan, Gingrich, Hannity, Boortz, Helms, Nixon, Goldwater, Eisenhower, and Patton. Alternatively, you can lump me with anyone on the left that sees the threat for what it is, a threat from radical Islam. Like Joe Lieberman, for example. Why does it make a difference?
You either get it or you don't. If you deny that the threat is from radical Islam, and is embodied by young Islamic men of primarily Middle Eastern descent, you obviously don't get it.
Nice try with the tar and feathers, though. |
Graham Cox
Advanced Member
Username: T2driver
Post Number: 641
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.244.192.174
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 02:23 am: |
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P.S. I wonder what Harry Truman and John F. Kennedy would have to say about this. |
Graham Cox
Advanced Member
Username: T2driver
Post Number: 642
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.244.192.174
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 03:51 am: |
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Bill or other moderators, feel free to move this to "World Expressions," but I'm not going to let this go this easily.
Political Brewer, you come in here with your first post on this forum, a brewing forum, and attempt a pathetic drive-by assassination-by-association with Ann Coulter. Did you even bother to listen to what she said in the clip you linked to? Let's examine her words. This is a word-by-word transcript, minus the 20-second oil thing which is irrelevant to the current discussion. (She's right there, too, but that's for another thread.)
My logic is this, in 20 years of relentless attacks on American airlines by Muslim extremists, in every one of the attacks, one or more Muslim extremists was involved. This ought to help airlines and law enforcement engage in more accurate risk assessment.
On September 11, 2001, 3,000 Americans were slaughtered in a terrorist attack on our own soil. In October, 2000, our warship, the USS Cole was attacked by Muslim extremists. In 1998, our U.S., our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked by Muslim extremists. In 1996, a U.S. Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia was attacked by Muslim extremists. In 1995, five Americans were killed in a car bomb set by Muslim extremists. In 1993, of course, the World Trade Center was bombed by Muslim extremists. In 1988, a passenger jet, Pan Am flight 103, was bombed by Muslim extremists. In 1986, a West Berlin discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen was bombed by Muslim extremists. In 1985, a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, was taken, was seized, an American, 69-year-old American, was shot and thrown overboard by Muslim extremists. In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim extremists. In 1982, the U.S. embassy in Beirut was blown up by Muslim extremists. And starting it all, in 1979, the U.S. embassy in Tehran was seized and Americans held hostage for 444 days by Muslim extremists.
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Meanwhile, 100% of the terrorist attacks on U.S. airlines for 20 years have been committed by Muslims. When there is a 100% chance, it ceases to be a "profile." It's called, "a description of the suspect."
Where is she wrong? What is factually inaccurate? What did she fabricate? Is any of this in any way factually innaccurate?
Save yourself the trouble of hemming and hawing. NO, it's not innaccurate, it is balls-on accurate. You can call her a Nazi or a bitch or any other label you choose, and guess what? She's still right. what does that make you? |
Joakim Ruud
Intermediate Member
Username: Joques
Post Number: 341
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 84.209.10.157
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 09:50 am: |
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You are mostly right, but in this particular instance at least one of the would-be terrorists was a white English kid who'd converted. An exception, obviously, but still. |
Fredrik
Senior Member
Username: Fredrik
Post Number: 3311
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 62.20.8.114
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 10:13 am: |
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Here is another ignorant leftist comment 
To be incomplete but correct, is a common rethoric method, by which you can reach almost arbitrary standpoint simply by choosing your questions and avoiding others. Beucase at no point during the argumentation, someone can accuse you for "beeing wrong". It takes a little more thought (and time) to see that it is incomplete.
I think, to "avoid beeing incorrect" is not sufficient.
This terrorism is really bad and something needs to be done, but I am sincerely worried that some measures taken makes it worse.
I don't trust politician or military for this. I think the independent researchers in these areas need to get more power. I sense there is too much at stake to be made into a matter of standard politics.
IMO, it is insufficient to argue, and along the way ask (I am wrong?? - No, thus we are right), and then arrive at the desired standpoint.
To be convinced, I want to have even the bad options elaborated with the same level enthusiasm. Then I want to see a comparasion between the different options. There are many "correct" options, but shouldn't we find the BEST option?
/Fredrik |
Connie
Advanced Member
Username: Connie
Post Number: 815
Registered: 10-2000
Posted From: 24.98.248.244
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 02:28 pm: |
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Graham,
You're right on and Ann Coulter is only stating the obvious. I can't understand how people can't see this, geezz. |
Little Dipper
Member
Username: Littledipper
Post Number: 107
Registered: 02-2004
Posted From: 206.114.61.199
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 03:16 pm: |
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>>in 20 years of relentless attacks on American airlines by Muslim extremists, in every one of the attacks, one or more Muslim extremists was involved<<
Does that statement sound funny to anyone else? It's like saying, "in 20 years of drinking Bell's beer, every one of those beers was made by Bell's". |
Fredrik
Senior Member
Username: Fredrik
Post Number: 3312
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 213.114.44.244
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 05:30 pm: |
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> Does that statement sound funny to anyone else? It's like saying, "in 20 years of drinking Bell's beer, every one of those beers was made by Bell's".
That's why it's good rethorics When you stick to the obvious, you know no one will object.
In addition to that I can add that every islamic fascist are known to have been muslims! If you want to track down the islamic fascists, I suggest we check all the muslims first!
/Fredrik |
Denny Conn
Senior Member
Username: Denny
Post Number: 5795
Registered: 01-2001
Posted From: 140.211.82.4
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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Bill or Pat, could we please have this moved to World Expressions if the discussion isn't gonna be about beer? That way, those of us who are here to discuss beer can avoid it if we like.
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Connie
Advanced Member
Username: Connie
Post Number: 817
Registered: 10-2000
Posted From: 24.98.248.244
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 05:59 pm: |
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Denny, just don't read it.  |
Denny Conn
Senior Member
Username: Denny
Post Number: 5796
Registered: 01-2001
Posted From: 140.211.82.4
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 06:11 pm: |
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Connie, that would be easier it it wasn't continually at the top of the topics list! And let's face it, we've veered far off the beer course here....if we're not gonna discuss the impact this has on beer, it doesn't belong here, IMO. either that, or those who post need to steer clear of politics.
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Keith M Williams
Member
Username: Grok
Post Number: 177
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 192.250.34.161
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 06:31 pm: |
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Islamic fascist will out law beer the world over if they win this war.
However, I think Denny is right, this should be moved.
This space STILL for Rent!
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Bill Walton
Member
Username: Vladie
Post Number: 110
Registered: 06-2003
Posted From: 68.47.217.24
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 06:50 pm: |
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I agree that this should be moved to the World Expressions section, however in the meantime I can't let some of Graham's comments pass.
Fredrik is absolutely correct about the incomplete but correct rhetoric. To simply say that terrorism is all about Islamic extremists and simply a matter of targeting Middle Eastern males is to take an extremely narrow and short-sighted view. This most recent plot was arranged by mostly British born citizens, including women. The attack on the London transportation system was carried out by home grown terrorists.
OK, so that's in the UK, not the US, that wouldn't happen here right? How about John Walker Lindh? Or Jose Padilla the dirty-bomber? How quickly we forget that prior to 9-11 the largest terrorist attack carried out on US soil, by far, was perpetrated by 2 white guys from the Midwest. |
PaulK
Intermediate Member
Username: Paulk
Post Number: 500
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 68.84.198.40
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 07:17 pm: |
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Well, it started as a beer topic.... |
Denny Conn
Senior Member
Username: Denny
Post Number: 5798
Registered: 01-2001
Posted From: 140.211.82.4
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 07:20 pm: |
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Yes, it did...some people couldn't let it stay at that, though.....
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
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Craig Johnson
Intermediate Member
Username: Californiacraig
Post Number: 321
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 67.161.21.167
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:19 pm: |
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What I have been told is the reason graanys and teenagers are targeted is that they tend to be more gullible. They are more likely to take that "present" from a friend of a friend. They are more likely to believe the guy who can't make his flight to deliver this "package" to his waiting brother because his mother just got violently ill and is in the hospital.
What it comes down to is that if you look too nice you will be targeted for secondary screening. |
Ken Anderson
Senior Member
Username: Ken75
Post Number: 1648
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 69.168.141.10
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I'm taking four bottles of unlabeled homebrew across the border tomorrow. They will ask if I have alcohol, correct? If so, will they look after I tell them yes? I'm wondering if they would find these clear bottles full of yellow liquid suspicious. I like to think my beer is the bomb, but, well... |
PaulK
Advanced Member
Username: Paulk
Post Number: 501
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 68.84.198.40
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 11:44 pm: |
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Got some commercial brew on hand Ken? If so, soak off the labels and glue them on the homebrew. |
Brad Petit
Member
Username: Voodoobrew
Post Number: 116
Registered: 06-2005
Posted From: 69.22.24.13
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 09:27 am: |
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Just yesterday I flew back from Boston with 3 (checked) suitcases full of beer. I always wrap each bottle individually in clothes and try to keep sufficient padding between the bottles and the edges of the suitcase. I've done this on a couple occassions and have never had a problem. Actually, the only problem is not having enough suitcases! |
Chumley
Senior Member
Username: Chumley
Post Number: 4299
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.118.227.254
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 05:22 pm: |
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Well now.....
Thursday morning I am on the way to the airport to fly to RatFest with a 5-gallon keg in duffelbag. I am listening to NPR Morning Edition as they describe the new security measures in place. Needless to say, I am in a bit of a sweat.
No worries. The bag was checked, and I picked it up just fine. I also had three bottles of homebrew rolled up in my other piece of checked luggage that came through just fine.
Last night on the way home from MSP to Helena, I checked this same duffel bag, now two empty cornies in it (recall I had already transported a full corny to Milwaukee in June), plus the wooden handle of my new maple mash paddle sticking out of the bag (it was too long to fit in the duffel bag). The bag was accepted in Minneapolis by the Transportation Security Administration with no questions. Much to my delight, the bag came through just fine, with no dings on my new mash paddle.
BTW, the Pliny the Elder clone recipe was very well received. Thanks to those here who posted it. |
Vance Barnes
Senior Member
Username: Vancebarnes
Post Number: 2375
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 208.49.148.10
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 07:41 pm: |
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Good thing those 2 cornies weren't the same 2 Peter saw the guy filling with gas. |
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