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Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 1143
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 84.208.79.179
Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I recently tried to brew my first saison, and boy does this yeast have an unusual fermentation cycle!

I'm using the Wyeast Belgian Saison. I started the fermentation cool to suppress higher alcohols, then at high krausen I moved it into my bathroom and started ramping up the temperature in there. Right now it's at 28C/84F, so it's like entering a sauna eveytime I go to pee :-)

The krausen fell, and it started chugging along at a slow pace (about a bubble every 10 seconds) at the higher temp. After two days of this I thought it was nearing the point where I'd want to move it to a cooler place. But just in case, I took a hydrometer reading first. It was still at 1.030! Now it's three days later, and it's still chugging along at that same, slow but steady pace for five days. I don't think I've ever had a beer stay at a plateau like that before. Usually you can see a difference in activity from day to day. Especially after the krausen falls, then it really steps on the brakes. But not this yeast, it seems. Curious to see what the final gravity will be, hope it'll dry out properly. Just sniffed the airlock, and it really smelled saison-like :-)
 

Dave Witt
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Post Number: 1173
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 03:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Joakim,

I brewed one of these a couple yrs ago using that yeast. It started around 72F and gradually climbed up to about 85F after a week and stayed there for over 3 weeks. The airlock was doing a bubble every 5 sec. for almost the full 3 weeks and then tapered off. OG was around 1.056 and it finished around 1.006.
 

Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 1144
Registered: 10-2005
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So what you're saying is that I probably should find a more power efficient way of heating the carboy than heating the entire bathroom :-)
 

Graham Cox
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Username: T2driver

Post Number: 1925
Registered: 11-2004
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Feel free to visit me in Mississippi, Joakim - we've got all the free heat you want!

(Although, in actuality the second half of September has been downright pleasant, but it still is plenty warm in the daytime for Saison-making.)
 

Joakim Ruud
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Post Number: 1145
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Where in Mississippi? I lived in Long Beach, a little way west of Gulfport, for three months. Right on the shoreline. I think I prefer our Scandinavian climate and temperament even if I'll have to invest in some fermwrap :-)
 

Graham Cox
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Post Number: 1926
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fall, winter, and spring are very nice here. Summer sucks, and unfortunately you get blasts of it from May to September most years, with July and August being unbearable. I don't know how these people survived here before air conditioning.

Meridian. It's about 20km from the Alabama border and about a third of the way up the state from the coast.

What in the world were you doing in Mississippi?
 

Joakim Ruud
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Post Number: 1146
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I went to a small commercial diver school.
 

Jim Smith
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Post Number: 69
Registered: 04-2003
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Graham, I spent 2 years in Gulfport at the SeaBee base in 67 and 68. I wonder to this day how I lived thru that heat and humidity in a barracks with 100 other guys and no air conditioning. The strip along Hiway 90 in Biloxi was very eye opening for a country boy from NC with all the stip clubs, gambling and booze. I still had fun even if it was hot as the devil. Cheers, Jim Smith
 

Destroyer
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just make sure you give it all the time it needs. I transfer Saisons after about 3 weeks in the primary, get a restart in the secondary, and then leave them there for 6 weeks or so. I don't really worry about them after that.

Be careful if you're bottling this yeast.
 

Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 1147
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Posted on Saturday, September 27, 2008 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Destroyer, duly noted! Happily the bottles I use are very sturdy :-)
 

Dave Witt
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Post Number: 1174
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So what you're saying is that I probably should find a more power efficient way of heating the carboy than heating the entire bathroom.

I fermented mine in a freezer using a fermentation heating pad hooked up to a digital controller (set for heating, of course). The pad uses only 25 watts of power, IIRC. Maybe I'll do another one sometime.

Graham,

I've never been in Mississippi...yet.
 

Destroyer
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Post Number: 109
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Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 04:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just transferred a Saison made with Wyeast 3726 today. It was in the primary for a full month, and was awesome, though it still tasted sweet. (I didn't check the gravity because it'll be in the secondary at least six weeks no matter what.) I wish I was ready to save this yeast, because so far this is my favorite yeast so far. Awesome pepper notes with no spicing at all - I started the ferment at 75F and just let it go up to around 90F from there.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 04:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have 10 gallons of a Duvel clone currently in primary at 78 F in a spare fridge. I use two temperature controllers, one for heating and one for cooling, which may be somewhat inelegant but was cheaper for me than a dual-stage controller. For heating I use a 40 watt reptile heating bulb from a pet store.
 

Joakim Ruud
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Username: Joques

Post Number: 1151
Registered: 10-2005
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2008 - 04:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yep, that sounds a lot more sensible than my 500W heater. Then again, I wasn't expecting a month long fermantation!
 

Bill Pierce
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My Duvel clone is now on day six of primary fermentation. It has slowed considerably but there are still bubbles every 10 seconds or so.
 

Vance Barnes
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Post Number: 3399
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And if it's anything like the WL DuPont strain it will take even longer to clear. Doesn't need to be all that warm for that part though.
 

Destroyer
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Posted on Monday, September 29, 2008 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Joakim, forget everything you know about brewing yeast when it comes to saisons!
 

Joakim Ruud
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Post Number: 1159
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Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just took a new reading, and it is down to 1.014, which I guess is in the upper range of what would acceptable to me, and it still shows no signs of slowing down. Looking forward to a dry finish! The hydrometer sample tasted great.