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Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6621
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 65.29.223.32
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 03:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just had one back to back with regular Guinness. They weren't the same temperature. The 250th was not nitro served so the head was obviously different. They seemed to be close in color. As for flavor, the bitterness seemed about the same but the 250th was sweeter with less roasty flavor. I was reminded of New Coke.
 

Patrick C.
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Username: Patrickc

Post Number: 883
Registered: 01-2001
Posted From: 99.170.160.145
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 04:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I got their e-mails about it and was hoping it would be a totally different beer, maybe along the lines of the Extra Stout. Oh well...
 

The Jolly Brewer
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Username: Matfink

Post Number: 2203
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 82.46.66.90
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 09:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In my opinion, Guinness are not in the market of appealing to 'beer geeks'. They are the budweiser of dark beer. Any 'special' they produce will be a dumbed down version aimed at mass appeal. I know it sounds cynical, and I know Guinness has been a 'gateway beer' for many, but the bottom line is it's not that great, not as good as it used to be, and we can all brew better stouts than Guinness in our sleep!
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6622
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 65.29.223.32
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"but the bottom line is it's not that great, not as good as it used to be, and we can all brew better stouts than Guinness in our sleep!"

I found myself thinking the very same thing as I drank it.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 10331
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 24.141.103.148
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The news I hear from Ireland saddens me. It seems that Guinness is slowly being marginalized as the drink of choice for the old, replaced by ice cold Budweiser for the young and trendy. And the company seems to have decided that the solution is to become more like Budweiser rather than less.
 

Jim DeShields
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Post Number: 158
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Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For celebrating 250 years, I was expecting sooo much more. It's OK (think drinkability) but with their expertise and equipment they could have hit a home run, instead they took the walk.
 

Belly Buster Bob
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Post Number: 3076
Registered: 02-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

my experience in Ireland (Cork area) showed very few beer drinkers at all. Most if not all of the youngins were drinking cider.
Guinness in country cannot be compared to export Guinnes at all. Might be fresheness or possibly different recipe for export, who knows. However I find Beamish far superior to Guinness in every way.
I would like to try the anniversary Guinness tho
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 6623
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 74.83.191.159
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I got no lactic flavor in the 250th and had to really reach to think that I got it in the regular.

I think that they took the 250th opportunity to explore the market for a sweeter version, hence my Coke comment.
 

Fritz Eubanks
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Post Number: 60
Registered: 05-2003
Posted From: 131.167.64.11
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To me, it tastes like a blend of Guinness and Swithwick.
 

The Jolly Brewer
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Username: Matfink

Post Number: 2204
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I got no lactic flavor in the 250th and had to really reach to think that I got it in the regular. "

I have never, ever, detected any lactic sourness in any Guinness product apart from Foreign Extra Stout.
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 2206
Registered: 10-2002
Posted From: 141.232.1.1
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Foreign Extra Stout....ug....I just threw up a little in my mouth....

(Message edited by doug_p on May 13, 2009)
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 10336
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 24.141.103.148
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why is that, Doug? Have you spent too much time in the Caribbean where sometimes foreign extra stout is the only beer you can find with any flavor? Of course at that point I'd rather have rum.
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 2207
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Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You nailed it Bill! They love it in the Bahamas but I can't drink it. Seems to be more of a half warm day time beer in the bahamas. I'll stick to the native kalik which is a cross between a CAP and a Becks.
 

PaulK
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Post Number: 813
Registered: 02-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think the Foreign Extra Stout is the only drinkable beer made by Guinness. This new stout sounds even more thin and insipid than the regular. I'll pass.
 

The Jolly Brewer
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Username: Matfink

Post Number: 2205
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 08:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm with PaulK
 

Nephalist
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Post Number: 145
Registered: 12-2005
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm in Westport Ireland now and every pub has Guiness, Heineken, and Budweiser. I don't get it.
 

Joakim Ruud
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Post Number: 1465
Registered: 10-2005
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 01:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Beamish is a great stout. But I can't find it here anymore.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 6625
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have been told that all beer in Ireland is pretty much sold ice cold now. I suppose that in order to choke down Bud, the coolers need to be set very low and therefore all the beers must be cold.
 

The Jolly Brewer
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nephalist, jump on a ferry and come and try some real beer!
 

Brewtun
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 10-2005
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I liked it a lot. If it was up to me I'd toss all the other recipes in the dustbin.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 6626
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, please don't get the impression that I think that the 250th was a "bad beer." It was fine for what it was, although I would ding it as a dry Irish stout. It was more a dark ale, perhaps a mild ale. My issue with it was that it carried the Guinness name which is supposed to mean something.
 

Vance Barnes
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Username: Vancebarnes

Post Number: 3665
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have been told that all beer in Ireland is pretty much sold ice cold now.

Couple of years ago they still had the stouts under the counter or out in the back hall not refrigerated at all. Of course we stayed far away from most metropolitan areas. And I did enjoy a few good ciders while there.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 10338
Registered: 01-2002
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Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 01:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's sad when a very traditional Irish town such as Westport is full of ice cold Guinness, Heineken and Budweiser, as Nephalist reports.
 

Brad Petit
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Post Number: 358
Registered: 06-2005
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Posted on Friday, May 15, 2009 - 05:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The one and only time I went to London, about a year ago, I saw plenty of "ice-cold" draft beer options that I assume are meant as a counterpoint to the traditional, stodgy, tweed-capped real ale tradition. Nevertheless, I was delighted at all the cask ale so readily available. I hope that, even as Coors-style beer marketing encroaches on Ireland's "real beer" scene, there remains a strong enough market for the traditional stuff.
 

Nephalist
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Post Number: 146
Registered: 12-2005
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Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I haven't been to 'every' pub, but 8 or 9 don't have much variation. I've found one that has 4 or 5 Erdinger beers in bottle. And the local mart has some Erdingers, small Blue Chimay, and a presumably fresh Kristall Schneider Weisse (shall I never culture this yeast!!!). And a Bass in a can (3.5 %!! They fooled me!). I got a Kilkenny cream ale to try that I might bring home for a friend named Kenny(they killed kenny!). The options are widening.

On a side note, I did the Guiness Storehouse tour yesterday. It was 11 am on a Sunday so no crowds. Not a great tour for a beer geek, but I understand why it might be an international tourist spot. They had hundreds of pounds of barley on the floor which people could pick up to examine. They must have good rodent control. Later they had a platter with roasted barley and guests were invited to handle and taste if they wished. Sorry, one big germ factory. The bar on the top was worth it with a great view of the city. I retreated to a lower bar to try a different Guiness brew but they didn't open til 12:30. In Dublin a man can't get a breakfast beer!