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Streb (68.166.202.189)
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In a word, YUM!!!! I picked up my first six pack of this the other day and tried my first one last night. I'm going to have to try and brew something similar in the near future.

I found a clone recipe from ahancbrew1 in the archives and will try to brew a bunch of this before the summer!

http://hbd.org/discus/messages/15516/18770.html?1068913510

"Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
84.7 8.50 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) Great Britain 1.038 3
10.0 1.00 lbs. Munich Malt(light) America 1.033 10
5.0 0.50 lbs. Crystal 75L Great Britian 1.034 75
0.3 0.03 lbs. Roasted Barley Great Britain 1.029 575

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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1.00 oz. Cascade Pellet 5.90 24.2 First WH
1.00 oz. Centennial Pellet 9.30 38.2 First WH
0.75 oz. Centennial Pellet 9.30 31.8 60 min.
1.00 oz. Cascade Pellet 5.90 0.0 0 min.
1.00 oz. Centennial Pellet 9.30 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
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WYeast 1056 Amercan Ale/Chico"

The hop bill seems less citrusy than a straight Cascades addition, but it tastes a bit more orange like than grapefruit to me. I don't have any experience with Centennial so that may be the cause of the flavor, but it reminds me of Amarillo hops a bit.

Do you guys who have used both think that I would be off base for substituting Amarillos for the Centennials or should I just leave it as it is?

TIA

Cheers!
 

Wykowski (209.222.26.27)
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

>>I don't have any experience with Centennial

Centennial has a simlar flavor to Cascade, (I find the flavor a little "softer" in late additions)
 

Denny Conn (63.114.138.2)
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Centennials have an orange/lemony flavor to me. Personally, I don't think Amarillo would be a very close sub.
 

Mike Huss (24.123.94.154)
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Streb, if you ever had a Bells Two Hearted I believe that is ALL Centennials. And it's awesome!
 

Streb (68.166.204.222)
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey guys, thanks for the quick responses! I'll give the recipe a go as is and try out those Centennials. They sound great from your descriptions and if they match the flavor/aroma profile of Red Seal, I'm sold.

Bells Two Hearted is now on my watch list when I go beer shopping.

Cheers!
 

Denny Conn (63.114.138.2)
Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2004 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd been dying to try the 2 Hearted and PTA kindly sent me some a little ovewr a year ago. I was not impressed (other than with his generosity!). I don't know if the bottle had gone off or if I'm simply a victim of PNW IPAs, but IIRC, it was oxidized and weirdly hoppy. I hope to get my hands on another one someday to see what I missed!
 

cdb (24.61.151.131)
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 04:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oh Denny you missed alot....this is one great beer. A good friend of mine lives in N.E. now but is from Kalamazoo and brings a bunch o' Bell's back periodically. I live for Stone A.B., Harpoon and the like and the 2 Hearted I've had is stellar!

-cdb
 

Mike Huss (24.123.94.154)
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 01:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah Denny, one of us will have to hook you up again. Two Hearted is one outstanding beer! Definitely different than the other hop monsters, those Centennials give it it's own unique flavor, but i've never had a bad bottle.

Did PTA send that one when it was getting warm out? Bells marks all of their six packs with a note to keep refrigerated. Maybe it got warm and then turned funky? If someone sent you one now it may freeze on the way!! -13 this morning!

Maybe we can talk via email and discuss a trade. I know there have to be some hop monsters out there that I need to try!
 

Denny Conn (140.211.82.4)
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Glad to hear the reassurance for the 2 Hearted..anybody who wants to do a trade for some Oregon beers, email me. BTW, the shipment I got from PTA was in fall/winter. Maybe he put the bottle in front of a heater for a few weeks before he sent it! :)
 

PalerThanAle (65.168.73.62)
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 08:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe that Two Hearted went into cardiac arrest. I think something happened in the transportation, 'cause I didn't think that the Fred Denny sent me had any hop bittnerness or aroma. - Hey Mike how about a road trip to Eugene?

PTA
 

Denny Conn (140.211.82.4)
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, you guys come on out and bring the 2 Hearted. I remember being astounded by your comment about the Fred, PTA...I think maybe the beers went through the Twilight Zone during shipping and that it stripped out all the character from them!
 

Mike Huss (24.123.94.154)
Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 09:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Woo Hoo! Eugene here we come! Of course we'll have to stop by San Marcos, Chico, San Diego, Healdsburg, etc. on our "way" to Oregon, and then we'll have to make the rounds through Oregon and Washington. Oh well, looks like we are taking the rest of the year off!
 

ahancbrew1 (143.183.121.1)
Posted on Sunday, February 01, 2004 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Streb,

I've been making the Red Seal clone recipe for about a year now. I like to have a keg of it in the fridge at all times. One time I substituted Columbus hops for the Centennial, reducing the amount at 60 minutes to keep the IBUs the same. It was also very good.

My taste buds aren't very specific; I can't pick up all the individual flavors people talk about. I just know this recipe will put you in the ballpark. If you like the recipe and make any improvements, let us know.

Andy

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