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Pacman
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Barnacles PTA...!

How did you slip all those thru the filter?
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Dan Listermann
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pac, them's kegs, 212 kegs, not bottles.

Actually 211. Damn employees killed my "World's Most Complex Beer" American Brown. 11 yeasts, 32 different hops, three extracts, corn sugar, honey and 65 different grains. Well, one man's idea of complex anyway.

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Pacman
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yupp Dan, i've been to B&S before... more than i'll be able to sample.. that's for sure... i had a hell of a time last year when the count was around 150 or so..

211-212 whatever it takes....
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Mike Walker
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've grown tired of the "What do you have - we have everything" game and no longer bother to ask. I always ask if they have a printed beer list though. Like Hophead, if there's not a beer list available I'll walk over to the taps and see what they have before ordering. I just wish I could get a nice Pale Ale or IPA at our favorite Mexican restaurants.
 

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If you don't like being waitstaff or you are just too stupid to do this pretty mindless job, then don't ••••••• do it. I'm sorry, but you DO have a choice.

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Beerboy
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Can you not just order at the bar? Why do you have to have wait staff in a bar?

In Britain it is purely self service and no tips are expected. Sometimes you may offer to buy the barman/women a drink and they may or may not accept, but I think as far as they and the punters are concerned they are just doing their job.

In a pub/bar selling a range of beers some expertise is expected from the bar staff, but it is often not there. This I think, as pointed out earlier, is mainly due to the fact that most barstaff, apart from managers and landlords, is transitory.

I've been served by some truly shocking barstaff with absolutely no clue how to pull a decent pint of ale let alone give me any kind of information as to what it is like. This I feel is purely the fault of the person who hired her for not giving her adequate training. The worst was a young women in my local who seemed to have no idea what to do with the handpull pump. I don't care if her hooters were some of the biggest I have ever seen, there is no excuse for giving me a a pint when half of it is froth! That landlord should have giving her some basic training before hiring her for her obvious other 'assets'
 

robin griller
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Posted on Friday, August 20, 2004 - 03:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Reading a post or two has made me realize that some may have taken my annoyance to be directed at Craig, who started this thread. I just want to make sure that it is clear to all that that is not the case; the name he gave the thread was unfortunate, but note that I didn't come into the discussion until much later. The originators of threads can't control where they go...

Robin
 

Nick Shore
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Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was at the Delirium Cafe (Brussels) last week and they have a beer list with 2004 beers on it. I don't expect them to memorize that list and give me tasting notes on each one. This was in addition to their food, whiskey, other alky and non-alky drinks.
 

Mike Huss
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Posted on Monday, August 23, 2004 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*Latecomer to the thread alert*

Prior to the minimum wage employment war, this thread reminded me of a restaurant in Arkansas just outside of Little Rock where the first time I walked in I was thrilled to be in Arkansas and see bottles on the wall of many different higher quality beers. Then I was informed they were just there for show, they didn't actually SELL any of those brands. I asked what they had besides Miller and Bud, they had Honey Brown (BLECH) and Sam Adams. Not that I am opposed to Sam Adams when given the choice between that and Bud Light, but when I thought I was going to get a Bells or at least a Goose Island, I was bummed. On the bright side at least the waitress knew what they had.
 

Ian Whipple
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 07:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A few comments on this. (God what am I about to get into?!) HEU brewer: You need to get back into food service for a day or two before making broad statements on topics you know nothing about. I am a chef in a British pub and I used to bartend (still fill in know and then) there as well. EVERY time a new beer is put on, the servers (and cooks) are informed about it, given a chance to taste it, and given time and suggestions on how to describe it. EVERY time. It's called taking pride in your work. We are arguably the best pub in town and we know it. We know how we got that way and how to stay that way. As far as how many customers come in and ask "What's good?" You'd be amazed. My stock answer finally became "I run the kitchen here, what do you think I am going to tell you?" Delivered properly, you get a laugh from the customer and put them at ease, even though they just asked an ignorant question.

Works the same with the beer. For every individual who comes in and knows what we have and what they want someone comes in and asks for BMC. We used to be a little snobby about it and now we just suggest a few things, we win over more then we lose.

As for the wage a server can make, lets just put it this way, I am well payed, with 20 years experience, and most of the full time servers we have make more then I do. It's not uncommon for them to walk out with 200-250 a night.

Sorry for the rant (special apology to you HEU Brewer), didn't mean to get so wound.
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Doug E. Fresh
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My question is, why not just provide a beer list? Every place I have been has a list of the soft drinks and wines they offer but few seem to also have a beer list. If you provide a beer list then it solves these problems. Maybe even have descriptions of the non-BMC beers next to the names. How hard is that?

I too have worked in the service industry and I can tell you I've had many more dumb customers than I ever had dumb waitresses. What kind of person watches a 14-yr old kid bag 2 full carts of groceries, knowing the kid works solely for tips, and then gives them their 27 cents in change for a tip. We're talking 24+ bags of groceries here. Hmmm, I thought I had repressed this .

Let's just leave this as most people are dumb whether they are waitresses, CEOs, LHBS owners, your boss, POTUS, etc.
 

Doug E. Fresh
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To answer Beerboy's question about ordering from the bar: it depends on the place (at least here in New England anyway). Some places will have tables in the bar that are sometimes waited on by staff. When that is the case you will be turned away at the bar by the bartender who will explain to you that you have a waitress. Other places are totally self-service. In some places, depending on the town laws, you actually have to be seated in the bar area so there is definitely a waitstaff. It's against the law to order from the bar in this case. So, it just depends on the bar you are at.

I find it pretty confusing when I go into a new place and there are tables in the bar area but no waitstaff around. You don't know if they are off getting orders from the kitchen or if you are supposed to go to the bar and order yourself. You inevitably end up pissing someone off in this scenario - either the bartender gets pissed you tried to order without your waitress or your waitress gets pissed you ordered from the bar and not from her (meaning you've got her table but she's not getting a tip).

(Message edited by Dougiefresh on August 24, 2004)
 

Bill Pierce
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Which leads to the inevitable debate about tipping. I've always disliked the North American expectation that you will leave a 15-20 percent tip. The server is often being paid less than the minimum wage and depending on tips for a living. Much better in my opinion is the continental European system where the gratuity is already factored into the bill and it is customary to leave only a small fraction (often the change) as a tip, or a little more in situations where the level of service was exceptional.

(Message edited by BillPierce on August 24, 2004)
 

Beerboy
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I agree with Bill. Like I posted earlier, it annoys me that a customer is expected to pay for a meal/drinks etc as well as paying, in addition, a proportion of that to the waitress/waiter. You are effectively paying their wages and perpetuating the poor payment by the establiahment that 'employs' them. If they were payed a reasonable wage and the meal cost 10% more I would be more happy as I would feel that I wasn't going to be considered stingy or tight if I only left a small tip, or no tip at all. This is even more the case if the service is poor. This way when you could happily give a tip for good service, which would make the waitstaff work hard for it and actually give good service rather than just expect a tip for whatever service they give. Everyone would know they were just being nice and attentive so they got a tip, but if they were being nice and attentive, offering advice, and showing knowledge of their products etc then people would be far more generous when it did come to tipping. Also, why is it a percentage of the bill? Why not a set amount. Like a service charge of £10 per table, or £2 per person being served. Something tangable. Say it was you wedding anniversary and you splashed out on a £50 bottle of wine (or beer). Why should you have to pay an extra £5-10 extra for the waiter/waitress to bring it over to you. Beats me.

As far a the kid packing bags. That is disgusting. Are they really paid no wage except what they are tipped by customers? What kind of system is that? personally I'd rather pack my own bags, and even if someone packed them for me I'd expect it to be a service provided by the supermarket, not something I have no choice in using and then being expected to pay them for it. There are bag packers in this country but like I said, you are asked if you want help packing your bags, and you are not expected to tip them. OK, they are probably not paid much but after all, they are only packing bags, it's hardly a skilled job!

Rant over - I'm obviously a tight arse wanker! But I don't care! The service industry in this country sucks and I resent paying extra for such a poor product!!!
 

Fredrik
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Spinning on Bills comment...

On one hand beeing used to the european style and beeing a bit annoyed that you are expected to tip as a rule, I am always stunned by how hard service people work when I visit US. This includes people most restaurants (though not everywhere) as well as shops.

I went to some place called Olive garden in Champaign and the service level was just *outstanding* as compared to a similar place in Sweden. I've never seen anything like that service here. The food was really excellent too.

It must be tiring to work under such pressure depending on tip, I don't envy these guys, but from the customers point I think it's sometimes good.

If you visit the equivalents to say circuit city in Sweden you usually has to run around the damn store looking for the often pretty lame staff members, or often line up to wait for your turn. I often get sick of waiting and exit the store, happens all the time. In circuit city in champaign the staff jumped on me the minute I walked in there, and I kept I asking myself "do I know this guy or why is he stalking me :-)". It's really amazing how different it is, that's the one think I like about travel too see how people act different :-)

My impression is that the places I've seen in US are awesome in some respects, but alot of people seem to be under alot of pressure and working really hard? I'm not sure if I am right or wrong in these expressions though. I think in Sweden you can get away with beeing a bit lame :-) but in US I bet you'd get fired, or get no tip at best.

/Fredrik
 

Beerboy
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Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you meant to tip shop staff as well?
 

Richard Nye
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Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 01:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fredrik just proves to us again that the grass is always greener.....
 

Bill Pierce
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It's still clear who gets the most tips. There's an old joke about applicants for a clerical job. The supervisor talks to the manager and says, "I can't believe their qualifications. One of these women is fluent in five languages and worked as a translator for the UN. Another has two master's degrees and was the valedictorian of her class. Which one should we hire?" The manager replies, "That's easy; the one with the big hooters."
 

Brandon Dachel
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Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 03:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This thread sahll not die yet..

> I'll bite, what's a BW3?
BW3 is a sports bar/buffalo wing place. I've seen one in Madison, WI, and frequented the one on Water Street in Milwaukee many times. It looks like they are opening at least 5 of them in the Chicago area.
 

J. Steinhauer
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Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 03:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What's worse is when you tip someone really well for good service, return at a later date, they acknowledge remembering you, and then they treat you indifferently.
 

Jared Cook
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What's worse is when you tip someone really well for good service, return at a later date, they acknowledge remembering you, and then they treat you indifferently.

So, what, do you say, "remember me? I'm the one who gave you a nice shiny nickle?" If they gave you good service you should tip them well. Don't expect special service because you did what you were supposed to do.
 

Ian Whipple
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Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

>> If they gave you good service you should tip them well. Don't expect special service because you did what you were supposed to do.

Hmmmm, I dunno Jared, I tip reasonably well, and as a result in a few places I go to, I usually get "above the call of duty" service. If treated indifferently I don't kow that I would be as eager to continue coming back. I mean, besides the beer don't we generally go to a place that we feel welcome and comfortable in?

Doug E, many places provide beer lists on tables, walls, blackboards etc. Many customers are too lazy to look for them or read them. We have a list on every table and all too often people will sit down and say "What do you have for beers?" One of the bars I pay bartender support in has 2 large boards listing what they have available and at least 2 times a night when I am there I hear people at the bar (who have passed one of them and are 4 feetfrom the other 3 foot x 5 foor board) ask what' available.
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Doug E. Fresh
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Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 02:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fredrik, you've pretty much described my experience here in the states with Circuit City so it's no different. I think the worst is Home Depot where even when you try to talk to someone they ignore you and walk away.

I can't think of *any* local brewpubs where I have gotten bad service, especially when I the customer am enthusiastic about the product. The waitstaff usually seems pretty excited about having a knowledgeable customer that doesn't ask "you got any Bud?"

I think it goes both ways - beersnobs cringe at the waitperson that can't tell you what the beers are and the waitstaff cringes when someone comes into their brewpub and asks/complains when there is no Bud.

Want to depress a brewer? Ask him/her what they've got that's the closest to Coors or Bud. Akin to going into a 5-star restaurant and asking for a Big Mac.
 

Tom Meier
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stop this thread
 

Doug E. Fresh
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Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ian, might be a NH thing, but besides the brewpubs most places around here don't provide beer lists or they are out of date. I usually have to ask and if the waitress isn't sure I simply and politely ask her if he/she can find out for me. I have no problem with that and they never do either. Hey, people ask me for stuff at work all the time and I have no freakin' clue so I tell them I will look it up and get back to them . And, sure they consider me pretty dumb but that's off-topic.
 

Joseph Listan
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If I ran a brewpub, I would absolutely not carry BMC. Sam Adams would be the "worst" "domestic" I would carry. I would do my marketing so that it wouldn't matter that I don't carry swill. And, yes, I realize the business probably wouldn't make it, especially where I live, but that's not the point. I would also have a sign at the front door explaining that I didn't have BMC, and that anyone asking for it would be politely asked to leave. If you make all your money on food anyway, what difference would it make if you didn't carry swill. That isn't the market, and I don't want their business. It would be my pub after all.

Oh, and you could be damned sure that my waitstaff knew EXACTLY how the beer was made, and which styles were which, etc. Training would be provided, including tasting.

Big teats would be optional, but only for the women. They would be discouraged on the male waitstaff.
 

Bill Pierce
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I wouldn't overtly insult customers that way, Joseph. I might stock one American light lager in bottles, and instruct the wait staff to say, "We have (xxx) Light, but may we suggest our (name the lightest of the selections on tap)." Then if the customer specifies the bottle beer I would serve it.
 

Dan Listermann
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Joseph, I hear you talking. I am of two minds regarding this. On one hand if you have come to a brewpub, you should be prepared to drink their beer. What the hell are you there for anyway.

On the other hand any beer that a brewpub makes should be able to compete suscessfully for the taste buds of anyone. The trick is to get them to taste it. Some guys are downright weird about tasting beer that is not "their brand."

A brewpub near Louisville used to charge $8 for a Bud saying that if it is the "King of Beers" it deserves a kingly price.

If it were my brewpub, I like to think that I would serve Bud with a little paper umbrella in it.

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"If I ran a brewpub, I would absolutely not carry BMC"...yes, you would, if you were a businessman who wanted to stay in business. Even in micro-wonderland here in Eugene, the brewpubs still carry NAILs.
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Joseph Listan
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I would brew an americal light lager, and tout it as similar, but I wouldn't carry it. Again, I would market to people who have no interest in the first place. Like Fresh E said, if I owned a restaurant, I wouldn't carry a similar product to the Big Mac. If people want that, they go to McD's. If they want good fresh beer, they can come to my pub, if they want crap, they can go to a normal bar. That's my attitude, and that's why I am not going to open a brewpub. Too much attitude, but I bet that it would be OK with beer lovers, they wouldn't be affected.
 

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You would find if you had a tap of michelob ultra, you would sell more of it than anything else, and you would then sell more food (for self-gratification, charge $3.50/pint for the ultra, and $2.50 for your own). If you're rich and don't need to make a profit, then stand by your guns...

Start a new thread!!!!

(Message edited by hophead on August 25, 2004)
 

Joseph Listan
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No! I am shooting for 200 posts.

(that statement should kill it)
 

Craig Johnson
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Somebody shoot this thread.
 

BiggBrewer
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I just had a flight on American Eagle, ordered a Heinekin and the flight attendant gave me a glass of ice with it (probably should have used it). Good thing I didn't ask about ales.

Made me think of this thread.
 

Ian Whipple
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Joseph;
If you ever run a place that sells beer and food (and liquor) and you are making all your money on food, let me know. You will have done something that many who have gone before you have been unable to acomplish. For most bars/pubs/taverns/ money is made on an incrdible markup on alcohol, if the kitchen can break even you're ahead of the game.

Denny;
The pub I work in now has not (and will NEVER) succumb to the BMC just to get people through the door. We built our customer base on NOT serving BMC and have kept it going by sticking to it. It sounds like you (Like me) underestimate the "typical" customer. Sure, you might bring more people in by serving BMC, but will you also be alienating the people who come to you because you DON'T serve it? In our case the answer is yes. I don't know where you live or how things work there, but for us, it has been a portion of our success.
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Vance Barnes
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I know Blacksone's in Nashville doesn't serve any beer but their own (or at least used to, been a while). Here is GA the brewpubs are required to carry commercial beers. Was sitting in one this week and saw a couple of Ultras go across the bar while I was having a nice hefe. Yuckkkkk!
 

Bill Pierce
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Vance, what do you mean by "required" to carry commercial beer? Does that mean the law specifies they must serve other beers, or that the public's tastes force them to offer BMC to stay in business?
 

David Woods
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I can only think of 1 brewpub I have EVER been to (and I have been to at least 15 in New England) that had other beers on tap...and that brewpub needed those other beers. Their beer is NASTY!

And if people really wanted this thread to die, why do they add to the post number by telling it to die. Sounds like they really do want it to go over 200!

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Won't you all please think about the kitten...
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Joseph Listan
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Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hate cats. Keep them coming!

More anecdotes, please. Surely there are more than five dumb waitresses out there...
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"but will you also be alienating the people who come to you because you DON'T serve it?"..around here, the answer is no. I really don't give a rat's ass what other people drink (well, other than to feel a little sorry for them!) I applaud your educational efforts, though, Ian.
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Hophead
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Pacman, I saved that picture because every time I see it, beer comes out of my nose... I should figure out how to successfully put a picture on this forum someday...

No more dumb waitstaffers; however, if you ever go to one of those places where the waitstaff memorizes your order for the whole table, have everyone change places after they take the order. Good times.
 

Hophead
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Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 08:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

kittens


Yahtzee! Seems to be easier with this new forum board.

(Message edited by hophead on August 26, 2004)
 

Pacman
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Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pacman, I saved that picture because every time I see it, beer comes out of my nose...

Sounds like a neat trick Hophead... now all you need is a webcam so you can show everyone...
Damn Brewing's Fun!!!!
 

Chumley
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Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2004 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A 140 post thread that I haven't posted to yet? Must post in order to regain my throbbing member status...

What annoys me aren't the wait staff, its restaurants that have a bound, 10 page wine list, yet do not have a beer list (even for bars that have 10+ micos on tap!), thus requiring the wait staff to remember what's on tap.

On the way home from Glacier National Park this week, my brother and I stopped for lunch at a bar. He ordered a Moose Drool, took one sip, and said "yecch". I tasted it and it had gone sour with an acetobacter infection. When he tried to send it back, the waiter said "It's supposed to taste like that, its a mico-brew". He charged us for it anyway. He did not get a tip.
 

Hophead
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Michael
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Waitress: Would you like something to drink?

Me: What types of beer do you have?

Waitress: We have it all. What do you like?

Me: Let's start with what's on tap.

Waitress: Bud, Bud-Light, Mich-Ultra.

Me: Hmmm...OK, how about bottled beers.

Waitress: We have everything in bottles that I just mentioned on tap.

Me: Do you have any "speciality" beers?

Waitress: A lot of my customers like the Hard Lemonade.

Me: Do you have wine by the glass.....
 

Nick Shore
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 05:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can't believe this thread is still alive.
 

PalerThanAle
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This thread is alive, but the kittens are not as lucky.

PTA
 

Pacman
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

we are all no good kitten killers...

and i'm talking about this thread, not hophead's kitten... i don't care to know about that...
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Hallertauer
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The kittens only die at post 200.

When I'm in the states I go crazy by the so-called 'attenative' wait staff. I was at a 'Hops' with my brother and sister and the waiter came back to our table 40 seconds after serving our beer. We were all talking and lauging and he said, "Is everything allright?" When we ignored him and continured to talk he shouted, "IS EVERYTHING ALRIGHT!" Geez what a jerk! Couldn't the idiot see that we had only taken a sip from our glasses? It's almost like they are begging for a tip. Just degradeing! Anyway my brother and sister saw nothing wrong with the way the guy behaved.

You just gotta be away from it for a while to hate it. IOW you get used to it.

I know someone will pipe in how bad the service is in Europe, but there are two sides to a coin. In Europe they leave you alone to enjoy your company/meal/drinks in the states this is unheard of, you constantly have them on your ass begging for the tip or trying to clear you out for the next guest/next tip.

Rant over.
 

John Rucinski
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Phil, you have to remember - in the US, the waitstaff is just WAITING for you to take a drink / take a bite of food, etc.

It's harder to complain with food/beer in your mouth.

John
 

Joseph Listan
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hallertau,

Next time they hover over you like a buzzard over fresh carrion (I can totally relate), just say this:

Well, almost everything is OK, but could we have a 'Do Not Disturb' sign? That makes the point rather well, but you might have to go to the bar to get your next round of drinks.
 

Ken Anderson
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thread
 

robin griller
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Talking about dumb: if the waiter/waitress is coming up to ask if things are alright, it isn't because they're desperate for tips, it's because they're required to do so by their employers. If they don't do it, they get from their bosses, so rather than being rude to the person forced to do something they probably don't like any more than you do, why not politely suggest to them that they pass on to the manager your preference to be left in peace. If enough people do that, you won't be hassled any more and the waitstaff won't be forced to interact with you any more than necessary.

Sheesh!

Robin
 

Bob L.
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why do they always seem to disappear after they bring the check? You want to pay and leave but noone is around to take your $$$.
 

Wykowski
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

way to go Robin,

the kitten is now dead
You remember that foul evening when you heard the banshees howl
There was lousy drunken bastards singing 'Billy is in the bowl'
They took you up to midnight mass and left you in the lurch
So you dropped a button in the plate and spewed up in the church

 

John Rucinski
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 07:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe we should use this thread for another group designed brew - Anyone up for a Dead Kitten Ale?

John
 

Hophead
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

PiTA, resist the urge...
 

Pacman
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It's not dead yet...
Damn Brewing's Fun!!!!
 

ScottDeW
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Stop!
Scott
http://texanbrew.com
 

PalerThanAle
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mophead..... you talked me out of it, thanks, but I need to find another outlet now. I think I'll kick the dog when I get home.


PTA
 

Stephen Manchester
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Comon people. If you don't want to read this thread, then DON'T. Don't make absolutely useless posts by complaining about it.

Some people do want to continue this thread, and YOU are the noise, not them.
 

PalerThanAle
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Posted on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think my wife is signed in as Stephen Manchester.... Yes dear, sorry dear.

PTA
 

Michael
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Do I get a segment upgrade now?
 

Sand
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I for the first time agree with Robin! I agree it is horse that a waiter in the U.S. is not getting rich. As a point I would push for the fall of the minimum wage and agree that there should only be one wage for all, no matter what you do! Stand up! We are the people, the government owes US! We were forced to take the jobs we have, we had no choice.