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Jimmy Judd
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Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 02:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello all, First time poster!

After brewing my first kit (continental pilz) I went home to do some follow up reading, when I came across the subject of sparging!??!?

This was something that was not noted in the directions of the kit, but clearly states in my book, "Joy Of Home Brewing"....

The batch was brewed less then 72hrs ago and still has a small layer of trub floating on top. Should I try to siphon the icky stuff on top, to remove some of the hop residue , or should I just leave well enough alone and hope for the best....

I hope not all was for nothing, As I have been bouncing off the walls in anticipation of trying my very first home brewed BEER

Thanks To All !!! Jimmy
 

PalerThanAle
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 03:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy.... ahhhh, they grow up so fast - EXCEPT the beer.

Leave the icky stuff alone and take up another hobby to supplement the times in between beers - like making more beer.

The toughest part of this whole mess is the waiting for the end product. So repeat after me - I, state your name, will Relax, I will have a commercial brewed beer until this one is ready, and I will not rush it, I will also start planning the next batch so I don't have to wait so gosh darn long without a homebrew. Also, see if you can bum a homebrew off a buddy in the mean time.

PTA
You don't stop laughing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop laughing.
 

Randy McCord
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Post Number: 348
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 03:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm assuming this was an extract kit? You don't need to worry about sparging unless you're brewing with all grain. Also, by the name of the kit, I assume this is a lager beer. What is your ferment temp? A lager beer needs much cooler temps than ales. I would leave the "floaties" alone on this batch, what you're seeing could also be krausen forming. Be patient with it and good luck on your first brew!
 

Jimmy Judd
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 03:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

AHHH, I Jimmy Judd promise to relax AS SOON AS I GET MY NEW CARBOY IN THE MOURNING!!!

Picked up a new kit Today (European Bock)
Should I bag the hops for this Brew, Then strain as I am transferring the wort to the CB?

Thanks for your help PTE
 

Jimmy Judd
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 04:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Randy the ferment temp says 68 to 72 deg and yes its a 50/50 kit, half extract (1 can) and half powder (1 bag)..


Also what happens when you wring the grain bag's neck (squeeze) instead of just letting drip? I guess am kinda guilty of this too!
 

Randy McCord
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 04:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ha, ha, ha, I finally caught on! with this new set-up there's no IP
 

Randy McCord
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 04:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe its the brew on my brain. Thought I had been trolled. Does that still happen often here?
 

George Schmidt
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 05:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

First a pils and now a bock? I hope you've got fermentation temps in the 50's F or you're going to be disappointed. I don't brew lagers, maybe some others can help with advice to make the best of what you've got.

Did you get those kits at a local shop or online? I'd be worried about a local shop that sold those two kits for first brews.

EDIT: Okay, I reread your last post. Looks like you're making a steam beer instead of a pils. Not too bad, hopefully. What can he do about the bock, though, guys?

(Message edited by gschmidt on October 29, 2004)
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ~~Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
 

Jimmy Judd
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 06:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

George, living in Nebraska gives me perfect weather conditions to use the un heated portion of my race shop for the fermentation of the lagers!

The first batch was indeed a pils! I specifically asked the Gent at the Brew supply store to give me something that would resemble a Czech pils, the kit he said to use was more on the lines of a traditional European pilsner. He mentioned nothing about the difficulty of these 2 brews for a first time user...


I know going from a pils to a Bock is quite the extreme, But hay, what the he!!

I acquired a fairly large brew station and lots of equipment from a friend that moved to Jersey,(said he wanted to start over) The only thing That I have had to purchase is this brew book, So I have every thing that I need to brew just about anything other then the knowledge of the procedures and or the language!

You all might just as well be speaking Arabic as far as I am concerned, As I am yet to understand any of it. *GRIN*

So thanks to all once again with your eagerness to help this rookie not screw up any more then he already has.. All in all, I'm having a blast!!

(Message edited by jimmy_judd on October 29, 2004)
 

Craig Johnson
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Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jimmy your first ten batches or so I would recommend brewing ales because they are more forgiving in developing your technique. I would say to make a clone of Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. You will be amazed at how good your beer is if you start learning with ales.

A good rule of thumb is to keep your hands off of the cooled unfermented beer (wort). Also some books are way outdated. The people on this page tend to be very helpful and knowledgable. Amongst my brewing friends I am the guy they come to for questions but when I come to B&V I feel like a third grader in grad school. This site is consistently my best source of info.
 

Colby Enck
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"its a 50/50 kit, half extract (1 can) and half powder (1 bag).. "

These are actually both extract, just different forms. The can is wort that is mostly dehydrated (called liquid malt extract (LME) or syrup), the powder is wort that's completely dehydrated (called dried malt extract (DME) or spray malt). In case you don't know yet, "wort" is the sweet liquid that you turn into beer when the yeast ferments it. For your kit, you are basically re-adding water to the syrup and powder to reconstitue the wort.

Welcome to the obsession! :-)
 

robert rulmyr
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Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Congratulations Jimmy! Like someone said, brew Ales while you are learning.

Check out howtobrew.com for more good information.

Hey, when will those Huskers get it together?

WacoBob
 

Kevin Davis
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Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jimmy,
One of my first kits was called "Traditional European Bock" It was one of the kits that comes in the white box, Midwest Brewing or something like that, it was excellent!

Like Craig said you have found the right place to get info, there are great beer minds here (some short a few brain cells from over consumption ), that will help you out. When you have a little extra time go back and read through the archives, you can learn most of what you need to know there. What you can't find, just ask, everyone here is very helpful to people new to the hobby, (scratch that), lifestyle of homebrewing. I went to several other forums before finding this one and it is now the only one I come to.

You also want to go to how to brew at www.howtobrew.com it is a web book that is very informative, and a good place to start.

The main things to remember are,
1. Cleanliness above all
2. Do not get overly concerned with the little things (or RDWHAHB Relax Dont Worry Have A Home Brew).
3. It looks like you have figured this one out yourself, keep brewing so you don't run out!

Good Luck,
Kevin
 

Kevin Davis
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Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oops, I missed Waco Bob's reference to How To Brew!
Kevin
 

Jimmy Judd
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Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 05:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey, thanks for all the help guys!

Just bottled my pils today, and am going to start my Bock kit tomorrow...

1 last question. Do any of you bag your hops? Just trying to cut down on some of the junk in my wort, or is this not necessary.. Jimmy

(Message edited by Jimmy Judd on November 02, 2004)
 

robert rulmyr
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Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Many of us bag 'em, many don't. I use nylon paint strainer bags, they are big for huge amounts of hops. I squeeze 'em when the boil is over!
 

ELK
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I broke down and bought my first panty hose last week. I choose the lightest color and sandle foot knee high. My wife says the sandle foot means they dont have thicker feet in them. I bought 6 pairs for 3$. Some color did come out when I boiled them for 15 mins.. I think they are great for dry hopping but might be limited to about 1 oz.
 

Geoff Buschur
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"My wife says the sandle foot means they dont have thicker feet in them."

I'm glad you clarified that. I thought it was that white padding they put in the crotch area.
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 06:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Use the knee-high version of the sheer hose for hop bags.
 

ELK
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bill, I should ask my wife this one but what does "sheer" mean? Is it the weave? I don't see that term on my box..I got the "Regular nude" ones. Looking more closely I guess nude refers to the color and reg the size..I guess they make a queen which has a note for medium to wide calf. So maybe we should be using the large size?
 

Bill Pierce
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ELK, I mean the standard women's knee-high hose, not support stockings. If there is a large or queen version of the knee-highs (I'm not aware of this), I suppose it would be even better.

(Message edited by BillPierce on November 04, 2004)
 

Dave Witt
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 02:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jimmy,

Do I understand you bottled your 6 day old beer already? You must use caution here, as, if the beer is not completely fermented, you could get over carbonated bottles, even to the point of exploding. This is a real danger. I'm surprised nobody mentioned this to you yet.

The way to tell if the beer is fully finished fermenting is to take a gravity reading and then take another reading 2-3 days later. If there is more than a 1-2 pt change in 3 days, then your beer is still slowly fermenting and you need to wait to bottle. Don't count on a schedule, # of days or how the beer looks. Check the gravity.

If this was a "kit" lager, it was most likely packaged with dry ale yeast.
 

Jim Smith
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jimmy,

I am making a guess that you are using the Brewer's Best Ingredients Kit. They use a dry ale yeast in their kits so it wouldn't be a true Pils or Bock. IMHO those kits are great for beginners. Hard to screw up and make fairly decent brew. After the Bock try something darker like their Robust Porter.
 

Richard Nye
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 02:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jimmy, if you live near a home brew store go in and talk to them. Ask them which brew is best for the first few batches. I'd recommend an American Pale Ale (APA) or British ale for the first few batches. Definately stick with ales rather than lagers. I've been brewing for about 10 years and my lagers still don't always turn out that great. Just my $0.02.
 

Jimmy Judd
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 03:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey fellas, Dave, Yes I did bottle rather quickly, My dumb AZZ thought it was ready after it sat a day w/out bubbling. I have broken 2 hydrometers(sp) before taking even 1 reading. Are these sold in plastic versions?

Jim, I think those are the kits I have indeed been using, I did however Exchange the bock kit for a English Pail Ale. I brewed it early Tuesday mourning, and as of tonight she is still bubbling very nicely.

Richard, I only have 2 to choose from (stores) 1 is just a retailer, and the actual Brew shop I went to, The Owner in his few choice words to me, were to get lost, that he had no patients for ignorance!! I was about 2 inches from spitting in that fellers eye!!!!

So if you all don't mind, I will be glued to this sight for awhile to learn the dooo's and don'ts... I'm not ashamed to say, you all, are all I got!!!!
 

Randy McCord
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 04:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jimmy, a bit off subject but I checked out your web page and had to tell you me and my buddies are big late model fans. We go to the World 100 at Eldora Speedway in Ohio almost every year, also the "Big One" at the same track. In my area though, there's just not a lot of late model races. Maybe Terre Haute, or Haubstadt Indiana once in a while. A friend of mine just retired from the sport. Anyway, good luck with your racing and brewing. As far as the brewing goes, just keep at it and you'll be surprised how far you'll go!