Topics Topics Help/Instructions Help Edit Profile Profile Member List Register  
Search Last 1 | 3 | 7 Days Search Search Tree View Tree View  

Visit The Brewery's sponsor!
Brews & Views Bulletin Board Service * Brews and Views Archive 2005 * Archive through March 25, 2005 * Goofy, stupid, and dangerous, or ingenious idea? < Previous Next >

  Thread Last Poster Posts Pages Last Post
  ClosedClosed: New threads not accepted on this page        

Author Message
 

Tom Gardner
Advanced Member
Username: Tom

Post Number: 581
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 09:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, I just had a brain f*rt and wondered about sterilizing a corny by cleaning it and rinsing, then put some water in it and closing it up, then here's the goofy part, putting it onto a kitchen gas stove burner sideways and boiling the water in it. The water would boil under pressure (autoclaving it) and the pressure relief valve should prevent it from exploding a la a grenade. Whatcha all think? Tom
 

JimTanguay
Intermediate Member
Username: Pizzaman

Post Number: 416
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

wouldn't a little Star-san be easier?
 

JimTanguay
Intermediate Member
Username: Pizzaman

Post Number: 417
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think the rubber parts would get too hot and start to smoke
 

Ken Anderson
Advanced Member
Username: Ken75

Post Number: 779
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 09:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am happy to say that's something I never thought of. As Jim says, the rubber might get too hot, sort of like this plastic did.
Oops!
Ken (who is new to flasks and apparently plastics)
 

John Jacox
Junior Member
Username: Johnj

Post Number: 92
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm no mechanical engineer, but my understanding is that unless a pressure relief has been specifically designed to operate on a regular basis (such as a pressure cooker) it is installed as a last ditch safety measure. Thus you might be taking a big chance of being a Darwin Award entry. As the water flashed to steam within the corny, it could cause a more rapid increase in pressure than the relief valve is designed to handle. Like I said, I'm definitely no expert, but I would follow Jim's advice!
 

robert rulmyr
Advanced Member
Username: Wacobob

Post Number: 519
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ditto, Jim.
 

John McElver
Member
Username: Johnmc

Post Number: 177
Registered: 02-2004
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)



BOOM!

That might kill someone. Don't do it.
 

Belly Buster Bob
Senior Member
Username: Canman

Post Number: 2226
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 12:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

take last 3 words from title
Bellybuster Bob
www.bellybuster.netfirms.com
 

Catt22
New Member
Username: Catt22

Post Number: 22
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 03:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Someone recently must have been thinking along the same lines. He placed a Lava Lamp on the kitchen stove burner. Guess he wanted to rev her up a bit! Everything was going very well until the lamp exploded sending a shard of glass into his heart killing him instantly. The rule of thumb for this class of activity is to ask yourself, "What could possibly go wrong here?" Always thimk first!
 

Joe DiBenedetti
Junior Member
Username: Docwino

Post Number: 83
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 05:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just get yourself one of those "steam cleaners" they always sell on the shopping channel. Now you have the cleaning power of live steam without the possibility of creating a 500lb bomb.
 

Paul Edwards
Advanced Member
Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 624
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

According to the FDA, in a CIP application, the exit temp (where the steam exits the vessel being sanitized) of the steam must be 200 deg F for five minutes, or 170 deg F for 15 minutes. This is for dairy applications.

I wouldn't trust one of those shopping channel steam thingies.

Star San is a heckuva lot easier.
 

Pete Strunk
Junior Member
Username: Strunkale

Post Number: 94
Registered: 01-2004
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You said it right Jim, "BRAIN FART". Sometimes brain farts should go just like the ones that come out your ass. POOF!!!!
 

Guy C
Member
Username: Ipaguy

Post Number: 192
Registered: 09-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are brain farts silent and do they smell?
 

Michael Boyd
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlboyd

Post Number: 276
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't think there's anything easier than putting some Ido solution in a cornie, giving it a good shake and turning it upside down to drain. That's one of the simplest parts of brewing. What major metropoliton newspaper should we watch for the report of your experiment?;-)
 

michael atkins
Member
Username: Mga

Post Number: 118
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tom -- My gut feeling is don't!
Love This Hobby!
 

J. Steinhauer
Advanced Member
Username: Jstein6870

Post Number: 622
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 12:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A brain fart is the true SBD.
 

Andrew Pearce
Intermediate Member
Username: Live4beer

Post Number: 324
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 02:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No. Next time you have a brain fart, blame it on the dog and walk away.
 

don price
Advanced Member
Username: Donzoid

Post Number: 597
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 02:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Be brave! Trust your life to the 10-20-30 year old pressure relief valve! It will probably work just fine. And If you suspect it isn't, just stick your finger in the ring and give it a pull to test it.

Don
 

J. Steinhauer
Advanced Member
Username: Jstein6870

Post Number: 626
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 04:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don, are you on the Darwin Award Committee?
 

Patrick C.
Intermediate Member
Username: Patrickc

Post Number: 300
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any former winners here?
 

Ken Anderson
Advanced Member
Username: Ken75

Post Number: 787
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 06:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just would-be nominees.
 

Chris Testerman
Member
Username: Chris1kanobi

Post Number: 134
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 07:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why not pour boiling water into the keg, then seal it up without the damaging effects of heating the keg? Then when it has cooled, bleed the pressure (if there is any) and drain etc. That is, if there is no sanitizer around, which would be my first choice. Just a thought.
 

Bill Pierce
Moderator
Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 2754
Registered: 01-2002
Posted on Monday, March 21, 2005 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It takes about 10 minutes contact time to sanitize the keg after you add the nearly boiling water (it cools somewhat). I worked for a while at a brewpub where this was SOP for the occasional kegs they sold.
 

Jake Isaacs
Intermediate Member
Username: Jake

Post Number: 317
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This reminds me that it's time to poll the collective again:

Has anyone tried autoclaving a cornie? I'm game, but am worried about the rubber parts. I'd rather learn from others' mistakes. I could probably do 6 or so at once in the nearest autoclave, but am also just fine with my current boiling water & Star San approach.
 

George Schmidt
Intermediate Member
Username: Gschmidt

Post Number: 452
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 04:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What kind of lucky SOB has access to an autoclave big enough for 6 cornies at once?
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ~~Robert A. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
 

Jake Isaacs
Intermediate Member
Username: Jake

Post Number: 319
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 04:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I could probably fit at least a dozen in the largest one (looks really funny when I'm only autoclaving one 1/2 liter bottle in it, though).

You supply the cornies, George, and I'll stuff it full for a test run
 

Vance Barnes
Senior Member
Username: Vancebarnes

Post Number: 1516
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any former winners here?

Ugh, you have to be deceased to win a Darwin Award.