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John K. Lee
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Username: Newoldrunk

Post Number: 548
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Revenge of the Fruit Beer: a moral dilemma

A couple months ago some of you guys on the board tried to talk me out of making an Apricot Ale. I wanted to recreate Pyramid's Ap-Ale to appease my lady and I must say it turned out better than theirs. Not as sweet and more malt flavor. Probably in the 10 best I've ever brewed. Everyone that tried it wanted more and the keg only lasted a little over a week.
I took a sixer over to my g/f's parents house the weekend before last and her mother fell in love with the beer. After she drank 3, she asks me if I could make her a whole batch to keep in her fridge. "You just tell me what it costs, and I'll pay you", she says. I told her, "I would see what I could do", hoping it would just go away. With School and work it's hard enough to find time to brew for myself.
I guess it's not going away. My g/f has asked 3 times now if I'm going to do it. Needless to say, I don't want to, but what's a guy to do? I don't think I can say no?
Non-brewing beer drinkers just don't understand the time and love that goes into making a beer. It would be a different story if I had a bigger system and could brew like 20 gallons at a time. I was telling a friend that it's not about the money, or the legality, it's the time, effort and the fact that my beer is well; my beer. I gladly give away alot of what I brew, but have never sold any, nor do I want to. A five gallon batch costs me about $25, add 5 hours of my time to brew it, and a couple more for cleaning, tranferring, and what not. Not to mention the 6 weeks it takes to nurture a beer. $50 just isn't worth it to me, Hell, $100 isn't worth it but I surely can't charge her for more than the ingredients, it would just weigh on my conscience. I'll probably just end up giving it to her. Bottom line is you just can't put a price on the things you love!
Once again I should've listened to you guys that were telling me to "just say no" to fruit beers. I promise, it won't happen again.
-J.K.L.

p.s. sorry about this long, somewhat pointless post. I know this isn't a support group but I needed to vent the issue to somebody. This seemed like a good place to find some folks that might be able to understand my frustration.
 

Patrick C.
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Username: Patrickc

Post Number: 351
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you kidding?
Your girlfriend is begging you to brew and that's a problem? You can always find time if you really want to. Get her and her mom to help out- they'll find the time or quit asking.
 

Richard Shaffer
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Username: Mr_baseball

Post Number: 110
Registered: 06-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Step up to a 15 gal. system. Richard.
 

David Lewinnek
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Username: Davelew

Post Number: 128
Registered: 02-2005
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree with Patrick; get the gf and mother to help out.

A batch of fruit beer is a small price to pay for the services of a bottling wench.
 

Mark Zgarrick
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Username: Maz

Post Number: 162
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree as well. Beer brewing day is the fun part of course, and I wouldn't care who I was brewing for... making a yeast starter, brew-day cleanup, bottle washing, bottling, etc... get them involved so they see what it really takes. They will appreciate the beer even more and will probably never question you about your hobby again.
 

davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1137
Registered: 03-2001
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 05:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just how much do you love this girl?

(that would be my question)

(Message edited by davidw on June 02, 2005)

Boom, like that. ~ M. Knopfler
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 3237
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As one of the leading naysayers of fruit beer on this board, I believe the chickens have come home to roost.

I would suggest a double batch brew day, brew what you want, then make an extract version of your Apricot ale. You could do the extract apricot while you are mashing your beer.
 

Guy C
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Username: Ipaguy

Post Number: 254
Registered: 09-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 05:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A 20-gal. B3 system ought to suffice as payment for a mutually agreeable amount of Apricot Ale over "x" amount of years.
 

PalerThanAle
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Username: Palerthanale

Post Number: 1391
Registered: 04-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

just buy Pyramid's Ap-Ale and peal off the labels.

PTA
If all else fails, stop trying all else.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: Listerdister

Post Number: 241
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Get the women to do the cleaning.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 689
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 06:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So what's the scoop with this Pyramid Apricot beer anyway, is it as disgusting as DFH Aprihop?
 

Chris Vejnovich
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Username: Cjv85vmax

Post Number: 115
Registered: 06-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 06:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

John, I understand your labor of love points in this post. On the other hand, like one of the other posts has already mentioned. How much do you love this girl. And what might be the rewards from your girlfriend (i.e. a good night out and or sexual favors)if you do your gf's Mom a favor. Let the gf's mom pay for all the ingredients and request that they help you bottle the beer. The gf's Mom will appreciate the each beer a whole lot more if she has to put in an hour or two of work to get it. Money can be given away easily for some people who have lots of it, but labor can be too much to ask for some people to donate for a cause or some object in which they desire.
 

Miker
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Username: Miker

Post Number: 197
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just brew it!
 

John K. Lee
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Username: Newoldrunk

Post Number: 549
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

- I like your way of thinkin' fellas. Especially yours, Guy.......hmmm, they do have some buck$.
I'd love to pack the beer stand into the truck and drop it right in her front yard. I'm sure that would be alright with their neigbors. It is one of those nice golf communities and all. I wonder what she would think about having to give up one bathtubs so we could ferment in there. Or maybe we could just leave it in the middle of the kitchen. It's getting much too hot to leave them in the garage, ya know. Oh yeah, I'm sure she would be more than happy to give up 7-8 hours of her weekend to brew on a 100deg day. Cause you know, if I'm going through all that trouble were brewing a beer for me too.
-Naw, I'm sure I'll just be the nice guy and brew it up myself at home. I am going to ask if they want to help though. This woman can cook up some mean grub(the momma that is), I bet she could brew some damn good brew too.
-As for as you guys asking the "How much do I love her" question just relate back to the "I don't think I can say no" comment. She means the world to me. I couldn't ask for a better woman. I'm just bitchin' because I can. Just because I love her doesn't mean I have to like "everything" I have to do for her. I'm sure some of you married guys would agree. Brewing is my favorite hobby. This situation has turned it into a chore, or a job and I do recall someone saying never mix business with pleasure.
-J.K.L.
 

don price
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Username: Donzoid

Post Number: 657
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Point out that brewing a batch of beer is a lot like a turkey dinner. It isn't the cost of the turkey that prevents you from having one a couple of times a month.

Sounds like you need to get the in-laws to pick up a kegerator so that you can give away beer without giving away bottles.

Don
 

Hedgie Bartol
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Username: Hedgieb

Post Number: 73
Registered: 04-2004
Posted on Thursday, June 02, 2005 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

John,

I can totally relate. I threw a party last year with five different beers on tap... well, my buddy then asked me to brew some for his birthday, and then my sister had me brew some for her wedding reception. As much as I love to do it, the pressure of doing it for someone else takes away from the "labor of love."
 

Hedgie Bartol
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Username: Hedgieb

Post Number: 74
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Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK, Case in point... I have been up since 5:30am on a Saturday because I agreed to brew the beer for our next management meeting... It is much more fun when done on my own terms!
 

Joe DiBenedetti
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Username: Docwino

Post Number: 188
Registered: 01-2005
Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was having the same problem with my sister-in -law. She fell in love with my CC's and Kolchs's and always wanted more. No sweat by me, I love to brew, but it was tying up my brewing equipment keeping me from brewing other styles. We finally struck a deal. She provides either the grain or a kit for her beer. I also had her get two fermenting buckets, air locks and two carboys. Now she has her oun dedicated brewing equipment, dosen,t tie up mine, and everything is working out.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

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Posted on Saturday, June 04, 2005 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The next time you think you want to become a pro brewer, remember this discussion!
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

ELK
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Username: Elkski

Post Number: 1065
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 02:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Make a brew day out of it..Be happy your M-I-Law cares about what you do and doesn't think you have a problem. HAve her make some of her fine grub and it sounds like your wife could stand to watch ( I detected a hint that maybe your wife doesn't cook so well. I suggest you don't show her this post)and then show them how to brew.
Also have M-I-Law save some bottles up and help on bottle day..
ELK
 

John K. Lee
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Username: Newoldrunk

Post Number: 550
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

-I'm sure you all will be glad to know that I'm biting the bullet this weekend. I'm doing the 3-brew day thing again. Yep, 3 batches of the Apricot ale. A buddy of mine brought his new g/f over to meet me. I let her try the Ap-ale and she also fell in love with it. Now he wants me to make a batch for all the ladies going on our annual 4th of July float trip. 1 for my someday-mom-in-law, 1 for the float trip, and 1 more for one special lady. I've got 3 weeks. I hope I can pull it off.


I detected a hint that maybe your wife doesn't cook so well

-I plead the 5th.

-J.K.L.
 

Brian Crain
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Username: Bcrain

Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 09:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok I have to ask... What's the recipe for this ever popular beer for the ladies?? I can't seem to find your original thread.
 

Paul Hayslett
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Username: Paulhayslett

Post Number: 771
Registered: 02-2002
Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Boy, does this thread hit home! My daughter and I just delivered two cases of sour-mash pseudo-Kriek to my mom's house. I made the mistake of turning her on to Kriek one day and she asked if I could make her one. How can you say no to your own mom and live with yourself? But between the sour mash and six months secondary with cherry puree and Brett lambicus, it meant a lot of time and effort. And I don't get to drink any! (OK, I kept 3 bottles for myself.) And now she's asking if I can make a blueberry mead for her. No good deed goes unpunished....
 

bierslayer
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Username: Bierslayer

Post Number: 29
Registered: 04-2004
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bump

I second Brian's request. I'm curious to know the recipe for this magic beer!
 

John K. Lee
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Username: Newoldrunk

Post Number: 551
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There's nothing really "magic" about it, except for the reception I got. It's a simple but apparently effective recipe.

9# 2-row
1/2# Crystal 60L
1/2# Wheat malt

1.25oz German Tettnanger(4.0AA) 60min
0.25oz Amarillo(15min)
0.25oz Willamette(15min)

O.G.-1.048
F.G.-1.008
ABV%-5.2
WLP001-California Ale
2oz Apricot flavoring in secondary

-J.K.L.

(Message edited by NEWOLDRUNK on June 16, 2005)