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ELK
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Username: Elkski

Post Number: 1348
Registered: 01-2003
Posted From: 67.177.25.240
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 01:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well I picked up stuff for another batch today as well as two new 6.5 g carboys. I made a substitution for the muscovada sugar 13$ and went with 5#'s of dark brown sugar and 2/3 molassas 6$? I went the the bee keeper and picked up the honey direct for 23$ for 10# vs 38$
I didnt sub the sugars to save money but after two stores didn't have it I didnt want to drive to the health food store.
My question of the day should have been how to change the recipe up some but it is late for that now. My qestion is is it ok that I just heated up 12 gal of juice enough to melt all the sugars and apple butter and DME but didn't take it to boiling. I figured the 4 other gals of apple juice aren't called out to be boiled?
 

ELK
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Username: Elkski

Post Number: 1350
Registered: 01-2003
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Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 02:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

after mixing this all up in that 6.5 gal carboy I can suggest to modify the recipe to 4 gals of juice which would be near 5 gals after all the sugar and DME.
 

Paul Muth
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Post Number: 197
Registered: 10-2002
Posted From: 68.210.76.58
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 03:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ELK,
You are doing the primary in a 6.5 carboy???

Don't you dare stir it up like you did with the ABC in the bucket.! In the carboy it will be like a fire hose instead of a mild eruption down the heat vent..!!

lol.!

Paul
 

George
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Username: Ggenovez

Post Number: 33
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 24.0.68.122
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 03:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Forgive my ignorace but what is ABC?
 

ELK
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Username: Elkski

Post Number: 1355
Registered: 01-2003
Posted From: 67.177.25.240
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 04:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Apple butter Cyser. a 20% apple juice sugar/ honey/honey butter concoction. AKA "LPR" liquid panty remover. applebuttercyser.com 6 months to bottle and I guess the more years later the better to enjoy. I figure If the wife and or I dont like it we can give it away as xmas presents or something.
Rest assured that I am frightfull of that little head space and nozzle looking thing neck. No dancing in the house for a week. I might add o2 in 15 hrs and skip the 48 hr thing. I will have a blowoff tube and bucket handy. I will also test the waters. I have never seen anything like that except vinagar and baking soda.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 3875
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.227.171.151
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 04:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Making two batches in a week? What, are you planning for an orgy in 2010? :-)
 

ELK
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Username: Elkski

Post Number: 1356
Registered: 01-2003
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Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 05:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

that would be my 50th B-day party maybe I could tell the wifey your suggestion. Dont know what got into me chumley. And basically the same recipe to boot. I was thinking about 10 gals thats 40 liters which is alot of 20% to drink.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 4447
Registered: 01-2002
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Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've still got four or five bottles left from a batch of ABC I made in 2000. I like it, but it's just too strong (in both flavor and alcohol) to drink as a regular beverage. I save it for when we have guests who appreciate something unique.
 

ELK
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Username: Elkski

Post Number: 1360
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Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think the recipe should be rivised:
"Caution: this monster likes to be left alone. any attempt to stir or arerate may lead to a big Mess."
I just added O2. The test stir first didn't seem to anger the apple gods but O2 vavle a crack stirs up a hornet nest in a hurry. I had to palm it! that is cover the top with my palm to slow the flow and yet prevent an explosion conditon.. Whew...never again.
 

Hophead
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Username: Hophead

Post Number: 1966
Registered: 03-2002
Posted From: 167.4.1.38
Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would split the primary into the 2 carboys, then combine back into one after krausen subsides. You will lose a lot to blowoff otherwise.

Heating up 1 gallon of juice to melt the sugars, honey, etc is fine; no need to boil. Are you resuing the yeast cake from the previous batch, or did you remake a new starter?
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 1745
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Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just went out and bought the supplies for this brew. I couldn't resist.

-Doug
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 20
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 198.135.241.18
Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think Chumley is fishing for an invite....
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 1746
Registered: 10-2002
Posted From: 68.64.185.27
Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 02:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have two questions.

First, does any of the apple flavor come through in the final product? After buying the supplies (minus the honey) I realized just how busy this thing is.

Second question, how much does 1 gallon of honey weigh?

-Doug
 

ELK
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Username: Elkski

Post Number: 1363
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 02:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

skot, can tell us the flavor. Taste your apple butter first so you know how much clove flavor it has. The krausen is less than 1/2" thick on mine so its dormant unless you try to add O2 using a ss sintered deal. then its like an Alaskan volcano.
Doug, did you find the muscovado sugar? how much? taste it and then some regular brown sugar. not much difference. I really cant believe you can taste the apple butter and mine was 5$ a lb.
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 1747
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 03:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ELK,
I live in sugar country down here in south florida. I can raw sugar in liquid or crystal form, but my experience with store bought muscuvado sugar is similar to yours as far as taste. I ended up going with 2 pounds of dark brown sugar and 3 pounds of light brown sugar. If this turns out really good I will venture down to the mills and get raw sugar for the next batch.

-Doug
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 4459
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 03:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doug, yes, there is certainly apple flavor (along with many others) in ABC. The overall flavor is very complex and difficult to describe. As for the weight of honey, 12-12.5 lbs. per gallon is typical.
 

ELK
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Username: Elkski

Post Number: 1365
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 03:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

at the honey/bee keeper place I saw that they had 75#'s on each full to the top 5 gal bucket.
Only proble mDoug is that I will have to have these 2 carboys around at room temp for 6 months and then bottle conditon at what temp?
 

Roger
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Post Number: 331
Registered: 12-2004
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 07:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Weigh the buckets before you pay for what they are calling 75lbs of honey in a 5gal bucket. When I worked for a honey business, we could only get 65-68lbs into a 5gal bucket (filled to the 5gal mark, there is about 3/4" to the rim of the bucket).
 

Chris Chila
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Username: Cchila

Post Number: 18
Registered: 09-2005
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 09:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Will any other yeast work with ABC? US-56 maybe??
 

Doug Pescatore
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Username: Doug_p

Post Number: 1749
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris,
I have a bunch of US56 on hand and have decided to go with that as my yeast for this first shot. Knowing how far this yeast ferments things I am sure it will do the job. I have had Nottingham ferment a beer to 13.65% alcohol and after a long secondary (several months), there was still enough active yeast to carb up the bottles.

-Doug
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 4471
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Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 10:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The White Labs WLP099 super high gravity yeast has a reputation for harsh flavors, but I haven't used it. Distiller's yeast would certainly have the muscle, but again I have concerns about flavor. I don't know that any beer yeast (perhaps Nottingham?) has what it takes to ferment to 20 percent ABV. Champagne yeast would be an option. However, I think Wyeast 3347 is the yeast of choice.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 1721
Registered: 04-2003
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"skot, can tell us the flavor. "

Huh?

On the taste difference of Muscavado I think that there is a major flavor difference between it an processed brown sugar. Muscavado is in a raw form that is much more robust than white sugar that has had molasses added back into it.

I do think that Apple Butter adds a flavor profile and richness to ABC. I have had ABC from brewers that have left out the Apple Butter and their ABC seemed very thin.

ABC is a beverage that really needs all of the basic ingredients. They together form a very amazing final product. All the parts make the product.

When I get home from Germany maybe I will do some tasting of various available Apple Butters

C'ya!

-Scott