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Patrick D. Longe
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 04-2007
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 04:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does anyone know about this system? Is it worth getting? It is in my price range and would handle the amount of beer I make. I eventually want to get a Corny Keg system, but they are hard to get around here, and filling CO2 bottles is even more difficult.
 

Doug Pescatore
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Post Number: 2113
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Patrick,
I have them and they work fine. However, I tend to use them as party kegs because as the bungs get older (like 2 or 3 uses) then tend to slowly leak pressure and loose CO2.

-Doug
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A little keg lube on the bungs helps a lot.

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Doug Pescatore
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Post Number: 2114
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Even a lot of keg lube does not prevent a slow leak which stops me from using the kegs as a long term sub for a real kegging system.

Patrick, this is my practical experience with these kegs. I love them for parties and other events, but if I want something in the beer fridge it is bottles.

-Doug
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 4251
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have used minikegs for years with very few problems. After a few years, they do need replacement, but that is after dozens of batches have passed through them. While some may have had some unusual experiences, they are very dependable at least from what I have seen.

Please note that they really are not to be compared with corny kegs. Corny kegs are superior to minikegs for a lot of reasons. Minikegs will, however, fit in a kitchen refrigerator with everything else. Corny kegs usually need their own fridge to be practical.

Before I get jumped all over, I will admit that I build and sell taps for these kegs. The usual suspects can have at it if they want.

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Spartacus
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Before I get jumped all over, I will admit that I build and sell taps for these kegs. The usual suspects can have at it if they want.

You should have included the store number in that sell
Sorry Roger, You Tiger now!
 

JimTanguay
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I got a system as a gift many years ago but no longer use them. They never worked right for me. They always either poured very foamy or not at all. Nothing but frustration using them. Just my opinion
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 6910
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have nothing against the minikegs as long as you realize they're a less than optimal solution. But they can be made to work if you want to fool with them. As for myself, I'd rather use cornies. If you really hunt for them, you can find 2.5 - 3 gallon cornies that will fit in a standard fridge, although I admit they're more expensive (and much better).

(Message edited by BillPierce on April 11, 2007)
 

Spartacus
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That sounds like a far better solution Bill
Sorry Roger, You Tiger now!
 

Doug Pescatore
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I'll be taking a cooler loaded with 3 mini-kegs to the Bahamas in just 5 weeks. They are great for the kind of trip. On the boat they rarely make it past a couple of hours, but if one doesn't get finished that night the pressure will hold until it is brought out again the next day (usually around 10 AM or when the first fish is gaffed---which ever one comes first).

-Doug
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"You should have included the store number in that sell"

Thank you Scott, your timing is as expected and predicted.

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John Baer
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Post Number: 198
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Deja Vu all over again. Real world experiences meet Listermann.com. Dan, I see you are now recommending keg lube instead of chalking it up to operator error. You forgot to put in the part about the fact that they are perfect if used properly.

Corney's are the way to go if you can make it work for your situation. Plus, you're not talking about a huge difference in your cash outlay for a corney system if you buy right. If you can't go with corney's, my preference was the Party Pig (NAYY). My experience with the mini kegs, I also used a party star tap, is similar to Doug's. If they are left for an extended period of time they leak CO2 and go flat.

JB
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah, the supporting cast has arrived.

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Mike A.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I debated this a while back too and ended up doing what Bill suggests. I got 2 2.5-gal kegs, 2.5lb CO2 tank, and a used regulator that could fit on the 14" high top shelf of my fridge. It's more than you'll pay for a mini setup but I looked at it as an investment in my kegging future. The mini kegs just looked like a temporary solution to me and not something for the long haul. Now that I've got a real kegerator I use the small setup for traveling with.
 

Belly Buster Bob
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

being a past user of mini kegs as well, I'll pass on my experience.
As for eveyday serving I found them to be a pain in the ass. But, for single use (fill and drink) they are great. I had the C02 tap for it but always just used the air one that came with it. When the brew is drank in one sitting they were fantastic
Bellybuster Bob
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Patrick D. Longe
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Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am looking at them for single use. Me and my friends will empty one in a single sitting. Thank you all for the advice and info.
 

Vance Barnes
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Everyone has already covered the bases on these. You know it's time to replace one when you see rust around the opening in the top. You prime them at about 1/3 cup corn sugar/5 gal instead of the higher 3/4 cup/5 gal (I know weight is better) used for bottles. That should eliminate any foaming and blown up kegs.

Also I would highly recommend the bungs with the pressure relief in case you don't prime it at the correct level. I distorted a couple kegs by overpriming or kegging too early. I think that Dan actually developed the pressure relief bungs? I know he carries them. NAYY and not even a customer.

Other options along the same lines if you haven't already looked at them are the Tap-A Draft and Party Pig. Google this site and you'll find several previous threads with all the info you'll need.
 

Belly Buster Bob
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Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 01:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

just curious Patrick...why not stick with the greatest single use vessel of all....the bottle
actually 2liter coke bottles are fantastic as well and easy peasy to fill prime and cap
Bellybuster Bob
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Richard Nye
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Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 03:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What's really expensive is when you buy party kegs, use them for a while until you're totally disappointed with them, then buy corny kegs.
 

Patrick D. Longe
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Bellybuster Bob, I am in the USAF and move often (just got to Alamogordo). Everytime I move, I have to get rid of most of my bottles and start over (weight of the bottles/breakage). I'm tired of the expense, and me and the wife are tired of bottles all over the place, the kids have almost cut themselves a few times (along with breaking bottles), and cleaning them is getting tiring. I will still use bottles, just not so many. I'm thinking no more than 36 to include 12 one liter bottles. The bottles I will use for mead.

After doing more reading, I am now thinking about the Tap-a-Draft system.
 

Doug Pescatore
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Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Patrick,
I have had my mini-kegs for years, yes years, and none of them are ready to be retired. Most them have made multiple trips to the Bahamas where the contents are consumed and the kegs is left there in the salt air on a boat for 5 days before returning home and being thoroughly cleaned. There is a little rust in the rim that is sanded down a bit before cleaning. Before the bung goes in the rusty areas get a good coating of keg lube. If you look at the design and the way the bungs work, the rusty area on the rim do not come in contact with your beer.

That said, these mini-kegs are IMHO only good for party type situations where the keg will be consumed with a couple of days.

-Doug
 

Belly Buster Bob
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I hear ya Patrick...I'm an Airforce boy myself.
Richard said it all tho..If you eventually want to go to corny's, don't blow that cash on minis, you're half way there with the cost of them
Bellybuster Bob
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