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Tim Wi
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Username: Riverkeeper

Post Number: 632
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 02:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The American people have spoken.

Tim
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1350
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm not opposed to a government split by party by any means, I think it is a good form of checks and balances. When the Republicans got complete control they spent way too much, and unfortunately if a Dem wins the presidency in '08 I fear it will be even worse. With someone like Hillary or Kerry as president and that psycho beotch Pelosi as Speaker we'll be a socialist country within no time. I'm very afraid.

What really pisses me off personally is the idiots in our state re-elected our corrupt SOB of a governor. Idiots. Now I get four more years of taxes going up every year, robbing the highway fund to pay for schools instead of cutting spending in them, no business taxes paid by the casinos, etc etc etc. I can't wait.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 183
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pelosi is Speaker and 3rd from the Presidency?

Wow.

Teen pregnancy notification lost in CA too as did eminent domain.
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Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1353
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Scary, isn't it Ron?

Teen pregnancy notification and eminent domain lost? That state has really proven how brainwashed they are. Voting to put Pelosi in power, to allow children to have abortions without their parents knowing, and to say it's ok for government to seize private property? Wow. Just wow.
 

Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 184
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike, I just don't get it. The only thing that I can think of is that half the population has an IQ below 100 and they are the ones convinced that government knows what is best for them.
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Chumley
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi!
 

Bob Wall
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Username: Brewdudebob

Post Number: 459
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ron, I think you are referring to the way things used to be. I think the Republicans have become more like the Democrats in terms of big government, spending, and the Nanny State. Both parties are guilty of of it in my opinion. They just support different facets of it.
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Ron Siddall
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Post Number: 187
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob, that is why I am an Independent. Nancy is so far left though that if the World was flat, she would fall off the left edge.

I was refering more to our ballot initiatives in the above posts which are neither Republican or Democrat.
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Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1356
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bob, I agree on the big government spending, but nanny state Republicans? I don't see them telling us that they know better how to run our lives than we know how to run our lives like the Dems do?

So is it a conflict of interest that the person who is #3 in line would head up impeachment proceedings against the Pres and VP? Sure seems like it would be to me. This is all pending on IF the Dems take over the Senate today as well, but I'm just thinking about what's coming.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 3635
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"So is it a conflict of interest that the person who is #3 in line would head up impeachment proceedings against the Pres and VP? Sure seems like it would be to me."

Let's see. Was Hastert Speaker when Clinton was impeached? Wait, it was Gingrich, wasn't it? The Speaker of the House is third in line for the Presidency. That is the way it is.

Odd though that the fear is that both the President and his Vice-President are considered vulnerable to impeachment - for pretty much the same thing.

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Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1358
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The GOP'ers didn't go after Algore like the Dems will go after Cheney.

I don't fear that Bush and Cheney are vulnerable based on the facts. The problem is the Dems will do whatever it takes to win. See Rathergate. Need forged documents to win your case? No problem, they'll do it.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 3637
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Near as anybody can tell, Al Gore was not involved in in Bill Clinton's Blowjob. Cheney is deeply involved in the Iraq fiasco.

The paranoid side of my toys with the idea that "Rathergate" was a result of a Rove plant that it could be debunked to vaccinate Bush from his past through a huge distraction. The interesting thing about the material of the papers was that it was true. Only the paper itself was a forgery. I don't believe the source of the papers was ever discovered.

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Joshua Coman
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Username: Crazyjae

Post Number: 156
Registered: 03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike,

The emminent domain issue lost here in California for several reasons -- none of them explained well to those of you outside our state -- and I doubt people in the state even truly understood it. All of the reasons boil down to the fact that it was a poorly written bill.

Of course it didn't help that our ballots were huge -- I'm sure that had something to do with the way that people voted. After all, the voters information packet from the State was the size of a phone book for a small city.

But really, the fact is, on it's face the bill appeared to take issue with the Kelo decision by SCOTUS, but didn't actually address the issue at all.

In fact, it would have cost us billions (with a B) of dollars to roll out. It created a law that would have also allowed anyone to sue when land was developed -- all under the idea that the development caused depreciation of their property. And it also would have have redirected money earmarked for police/fire departments. It was a bad bill.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1360
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But that's my point Dan. Had they gotten enough votes for removal from office Gore would have been president. No net gain for Newt there except for the fact he would have then been 2nd in line.

However, if Pelosi is to succeed in her quest then she would be in charge of taking out the two people above her, thereby putting herself in the #1 spot. Definitely a conflict of interest. It's all speculation since removal won't happen because they'll never get 2/3 in the Senate, but still.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1361
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry to hear that Joshua. It's unfortunate government is incapable of writing a simple bill that just states government cannot just use eminent domain at will and whenever it feels like it.
 

Bob Wall
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Post Number: 465
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike,

If Gore was president, he would appoint a VP. Like Nixon appointed Ford....who went on to become President.

Newt would have still been 3rd in line (after the appointment).
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Mike A.
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Username: Mike_a

Post Number: 193
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Which party controls the Senate will most likely not be known for months.

As for ballot initiatives, my great state of Virginia has voted to write discrimination into our Bill of Rights by going even beyond our existing legislation against same-sex marriage.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 6006
Registered: 01-2001
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Saw a great bumper sticker the other day...

"Will somebody PLEASE give Bush a blowjob so we can impeach him?"
LIfe begins at 60...1.060, that is.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1363
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Right Bob, I was just referring to the moments immediately after removal. I suppose though, the amount of time that Newt would have been #2 would have probably been hours, not days or weeks.

Bloggers rock. I'm glad they are doing stuff like this on both ends of the political spectrum.

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Jake Isaacs
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Username: Jake

Post Number: 367
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I hear ya, Mike A. Tennessee did the same thing.

I wasn't terribly surprised the amendment passed, but it was at something like 81%, which means that I and the majority of people I associate with (none of which are actually homosexual) are totally out of touch with the vast majority of people in the state. A sobering observation, I suppose, but I have ways of dealing with sobriety...

How has conservatism become associated with using the government to force a particular moral code on people? It's tempting to point to this as a GOP "Nanny State" example that Mike H. was asking for, but both parties here were in support of the amendment.

I have to conclude that at this juncture social conservatism is incompatible with governmental conservatism and the generic terms "conservative" and "liberal" have really lost all meaning.

I suppose that as a "social liberal" and "fiscal conservative" (yeah, label me a Libertarian if you need to) the thought of all these socially conservative Democrats sweeping into office should give me the willies. But I'm pissed off enough at the current crop of deficit-loving Republicans to refuse my vote to anyone marked (R) on the ballot and give the other guys a chance.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1366
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I do have to say that I hope now that we will be in a pseudo gridlock in government at least some of the idiots will try bipartisanship for a change instead of partisan bickering for the next couple years.

I don't hold out much hope for that happening though.
 

Mike A.
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Post Number: 196
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jake, you most likely don't associate with very religious people. It passed by 58% here, the only reason being because of religious objection, which I can't understand since there's supposed to be a separation of church and state.
 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1370
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mike, I wouldn't be so sure to assume it's a religious thing. The one that passed here was also based around common law marriage. Basically it killed common law marriage, which is why I think a number of people voted for it. The non-stop barrage of commercials with unmarried couples whining that they wouldn't be able to make medical decisions for each other pissed a lot of people off. The general consensus came to the fact that if you were too lazy to go to the courthouse and get married then you shouldn't have the right to make decisions for each other.

The opponents of the bill took a calculated risk and thought they could appeal to regular married men and women by having commercials of men and women who would be affected, and I think it backfired on them.

Personally I'm not opposed to gay couples having benefits, being able to make medical decisions for each other, or being married. I'm not opposed to it because they WANT to be recognized as a couple that is together, aka married. I am DEEPLY opposed to couples who just want to live together and are too lazy to get married but still want all the benefits.

That opens up a whole new can of worms. If they can do that then why can't two heterosexual male roomates be on the same insurance policy? They are living together and sharing the bills, just like that unmarried couple. Why should they be any different?

So, what I'm trying to say is, don't just blame it on religion, at least here in WI I think it's something totally different. And I think the poll numbers back me up, as the amendment passed at 59-41 but the quite liberal governor got re-elected 53-45. I don't think he got very much of the religious vote, but I don't know that for sure.
 

Liquidbreaddiet
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Username: Liquidbreaddiet

Post Number: 519
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I don't fear that Bush and Cheney are vulnerable based on the facts." - and you are privy to all these "facts" how?
The fact remains that this is the most secretive administration in history - noone knows the facts.

"The problem is the Dems will do whatever it takes to win."

Wow - Pot calling the kettle black. Wasn't it republicans and ken starr who started out on the Clintons for a Whitewater, among many other charges all of which nothing could be proved. So as a last ditch effort they had to settle on a blow job from a fat chick. Not that i was a Clinton fan but rediculous statements like the above are the reason why the republican party has headed down this road of self distruction. Complete arragance, compiled with the "my doesn't stink mentality" has caused the party to which I was a member of bite the hand that feeds it. Bush etc have effectively distroyed the base (which took 25+ years to create) in just under 6 years. You are fooling yourself in to thinking that democrats did not win this election w/o republican votes. It simply can't happen. Furthermore, yes there will be hearings and inquirys, as there should be, but weeks ago Pelosi herself said - ..."impeachment hearings would do more harm for the country then good and that they will not be seeking impeachment if the dems were to take the house."

On the flip side to this whole thing- why do you think old rummy resigned today? simple answer - culpability. It isn't because bush all of a sudden figured it out that he was doing a horrible job, rummy is a political liability. I wouldn't be suprissed if chenny was next.

Different topic but... answer me this question - Why is it now and only now that in the last 6 years republicans want to work in a non partisan fashion?
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Mike A.
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Username: Mike_a

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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Virginia referendum may do basically the same thing for common law marriage, it's up to how the judges decide to interpret it. In September, our Attorney General issued the opinion that there was "no legal basis" for the proposition that the amendment would curtail rights of unmarried Virginians. It was most definitely touted as a ban on gay marriage.

(Message edited by Mike_A on November 08, 2006)
 

Dan Listermann
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ohio's anti gay marriage amendment is starting to have negative consequences with regard to domestic violence cases.

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Dan Listermann
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"If Gore was president, he would appoint a VP. Like Nixon appointed Ford....who went on to become President."

IIRC Ford had to be confirmed by the Senate.

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Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1372
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Different topic but... answer me this question - Why is it now and only now that in the last 6 years republicans want to work in a non partisan fashion?"

What are you saying, that the Dems wanted to all along? Neither party would work with the other one in the last six years other than for about a week after 9/11. I blame both of them, don't you dare try to blame all the partisanship on the Republicans. They are both highly guilty.

"impeachment hearings would do more harm for the country then good and that they will not be seeking impeachment if the dems were to take the house."

That's news to me, I hadn't heard that she said that. Last I heard she fully intended to pursue it. Ooooh, that's gonna really piss off her far left base back home. Glad to hear she's at least saying the right things for now.

Also, what she is saying today is EXACTLY what I was hoping would happen with a government split by party. I'm hoping they can work together, but I'm not betting on it. We'll see what happens.
 

Bob Wall
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Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Where is Ross Perot when you need him hollerin "GRIDLOCK! GRIDLOCK!"


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Jake Isaacs
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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"If they can do that then why can't two heterosexual male roomates be on the same insurance policy? They are living together and sharing the bills, just like that unmarried couple. Why should they be any different?"

Platonic male-female roommates are very common, especially in larger cities. Why don't they fake a marriage to get benefits? I've personally never heard of it happening. And none of the guys I've lived with would be too receptive to "Dude, let's get married!"

The main reason why same-sex marriage wouldn't create all these problems people invent is that people, in general, take marriage very seriously. Don't even get me started on the absurdity of the argument of "next thing you know, people will want to marry their pets, or their car, or who knows what."

I agree that common-law marriage is shaky. If you want legal rights, at least take the step of getting some paperwork done. The fact that these rights are denied same-sex couples is shameful and will be looked upon by future generations much like the Jim Crow laws are looked at by ours
 

Liquidbreaddiet
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Username: Liquidbreaddiet

Post Number: 520
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As far as impeachment goes = even old whats his nutz Howard Dean also said last night on TV that the democrats were not going to pursue impeachment. then he followed it with a BOOOOYAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!
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Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1383
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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LBD, you sure he didn't follow it with EEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGG ?

 

Mike Huss
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Username: Mikhu

Post Number: 1385
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Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 09:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Went to lunch at a bar today. I managed to meet up with the elusive PTA, but unfortunately no beer was consumed by either of us. Whichever news station was on was showing the lunch with W and Pelosi. I have to say I was impressed by the comments coming from both of them. If they work together 1/2 as well as the say they want to they might get something done these next two years.
 

Jake Isaacs
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 01:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'd say they're both going to be on their best behavior for the next couple of years. One thing I'd take away from this election is that the nation isn't nearly as polarized as Rove would like (I don't think anyone could credibly argue that's not his modus operandi). People have at least started to creep out of their bunkers back toward the center and are ready and willing to put the smack down on whichever party steps out of line.

Maybe that's what really gets me about Rove and his band. Reagan will be remembered by all but the left fringe as one of the greats because he seemed to bring people together. Rove seems to like to make meeting up in the center impossible by fostering these "black or white" and "with us or against us" situations, be they real or insinuated. He's very, very good at this.

When this strategy is well executed (2000, 2004), those who tend to think in absolutes flee noisily to the fringes, while those that can be bothered to put together a nuanced thought end up pushed to the opposite side of the great divide from whichever right/left-wing nutjobs they oppose. I guess that brings some people together by squashing them against the right and left edges, but that ain't healthy, IMHO.

(Message edited by jake on November 10, 2006)
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I heard Newt Gingrich on the Hannity show yesterday, I was really impressed by some of the things he said (wow, NEVER thought I'd say that!). His big point was the Republicans really screwed up by putting all their energy into efforts to remain in power. He said, rightly, that the way to remain in power is to govern well and wisely, so people WANT to vote for you, not to just attack the other guys, and that the Republicans had forgotten that.
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Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 3667
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 07:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It would then seem that Newt has learned a lot in his exile.

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Mike Huss
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Post Number: 1392
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Denny, Newt has been saying all the right things since he's been out of office. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see his name show up on quite a few short lists for '08.
 

Dan Listermann
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Post Number: 3668
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Posted on Friday, November 10, 2006 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Newt might be on his fourth wife by '08. I just hope #3 does not get cancer.

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